Prime Razor Ruddock vs Prime Joe Louis

If anyone wants to debate on this topic, message me. Im not replying anymore. Its pretty pointless

 

Not "someone like sugar ray robinson", Sugar Ray himself would easily clean house at welterweight and probably middleweight today. This isn't even debatable. If you can't see the clear talent and skill of SRR then there's nothing more that needs to be said here. He'd beat Floyd Mayweather at his best and it's not close.

What is it specifically that they do that makes them less skilled compared to guys like Beterbiev and Bivol? The two top guys at lhw.

I could name alot of things that Jake Lamotta has over the top middleweights today. Ring IQ, stamina, defense, overall boxing ability...

I'm literally watching Benny Leonard float effortlessly around the ring and hit without getting hit against top boxers of his day. Putting them off balance and rearranging them with ease. Do you think Teofimo Lopez and Devin Haney would beat Benny Leonard? I think he would give them a severe boxing lesson.

Henry Armstrong. Do I need to put an argument for him? He would knock out everyone from featherweight to light welter...

That's entirely false. Have you watched the extremely limited footage of Charley Burley available? He makes Hopkins look one dimensional. He would eat up Canelo and win every title from him. Canelo could literally weigh 180 and he'd still lose. You need to post the footage you're talking about because you're not seeing the same thing as everyone else. You're saying james toney has fast feet and then saying that Burley has slow feet. Toney utilizes the least amount of footwork of any atg that I've ever seen.

There's like all of 4 fights of top super heavyweights from the 1900s and they're all Jess Willard. Primo Carnera got obliterated in his own era. None of these guys from the early 20th century that you refer to, were the best of their era. Here's a clip of Buddy Baer literally using his jab to control distance and smash his opponent when they come within it:

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Buddy Baer is an absolutely horrible example too. He had absolutely no amateur experience. Want to know what Lewis, Ruiz, Bowe, and Wlad all had? Extensive amateur careers! Take that away and give them a pair of gloves and those guys would be no names. Having an international amateur boxing program is a huge advantage to have and I don't even think Buddy Baer or Carnera beat those guys. All I'm saying is that just because some heavyweights today are better than some heavyweights from 100 years ago doesn't mean boxing has evolved as shown in the lighter divisions.

It's your turn to show video proof that the lighter fighters mentioned wouldn't be great today. Actually, I invite you to make a few threads for a healthy discussion and see what other posters have to say. Threads like Benny Leonard vs todays lightweights, SRR vs todays welterweights, Gene Tunney, Loughran, T Gibbons vs todays light heavies and Harry Greb/Mike Gibbons vs todays middleweights. I also think you realized you're a bit in over your head on this one. It's okay to say you made a mistake and that boxing hasn't evolved but select fighters from today are better than select fighters from the past. To make blanket statements that boxing has evolved and that past fighters couldn't compete is ridiculous.

 

When i said someone like SRR i meant him. Thats i said his style translates. Anyway just message me that novel and I'll debate you on this. And if i post about this subject im doing it in the world boxing forum not the classic forum. The classic forum is biased towards classic fighters. Thats why the majority of people in this clasic forum think Jack Dempsey would beat Andy Ruiz (LOL)

Anyway just message me about this and I'll be happy to debate. Im tired of swapping essays with people in this thread

 

Why not both? So you can get one section of the forum that has never even heard of these older fighters and then you can get another section that has watched extensive boxing from all eras and actually studied the sport but is biased as you say and get an even answer.

 

Its not how you think it is. The majority of the classic Forum is biased towards classic fighters. From what I've seen the World Boxing Forum is more objective. You say that SRR would KO Vasily Lomachenko at lightweight in the world boxing forum and most of them agree But you say Tyson Fury would school Jack Dempsy in the Classic forum and 70% percent of these people try to get you banned.

It is biased as crap in favor of early classic fighters.
"John L Sullivan beats Anthony Joshua" lmao

I want to debate with you on the evolution of boxing throughout the years but im not doing it in this thread im tired of replying to a new person every day

 

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone here that thinks John L Sullivan would be significant in any other era other than his own. Hell, you’d be hard pressed to find anyone that thinks heavyweights from before Jack Johnson or Jack Dempsey would be competitive today. I in fact think there was a shift in boxing technique and fundamentals that took place in the late 1910s with the introduction of Benny Leonard, Harry Greb, Gene Tunney, Gibbons brothers, Jack Dempsey, and several other fighters that is what we see today. In boxing. Then with bigger gloves fighters keep their hands up more but it’s better to be used to having to move your head because of smaller gloves than to be used to wearing big gloves to protect you.

 

This is really the crux of the entire issues with 'boxing has evolved' schtick. Some fighters now are better than some fighters then and some fighters then were better than some fighters now. It's that simple. The best fighters ever are obvious gonna be better than the best fighters at the minute, because that's not a fair comparison. You compare the best fighters ever to the best fighters ever, not the guys who may not even wind up as the best of their era.

Great post.

 

troll gal already explained it

 

no galento didnt liar

 

hope you feel the same cause I said mutiple times all those dudes in louis era were trash compared

 

idiot's here saying a man with tiptoe as movement with bad defense can hit let alone beat a man who was a real hw with way more advanced movement compared to the whole louis era and before

 

Razor Ruddock had extremely powerful punches from either hands. He was one of the hardest hitters in boxing history and could euthanize anyone with his smash or his right uppercut. Louis was also immensely powerful, but he had never fought a man as powerful as Ruddock. However, Louis' technique and ring intellect would've allowed him to capitalise on Ruddock's mistakes given Ruddock was very inconsistent. But once the bigger man lands the Smash, Louis would've been instantly put to sleep, which I don't see happening most of the time.

 

Louis faced arguably more powerful punchers than Ruddock and none of them stopped him. Louis also faced much more durable fighters than Ruddock and he stopped them.

 

Who did he faced that punched as hard as Ruddock ?

 

Max Baer for starters.