Thoughts On Canelo Using PED'S ?

Um, he should keep doin' 'em?

 

This is more than most of us do, on any side.
To be able to even admit that you-me-anyone-may be mistaken about something is bigger, better & more open minded than we all usually are.
Kudos!

 

100% manufactured con artist.

What made Canelo worse for me is seeing the obvious fixed /sparring sessions with Canelo and Kovalev and Yildrim (Canelo Smith was also suspect) . I'd be very very suprised if they weren't fixes. He's tainted boxing and the fact people consider him p4p no. 1 is quite honestly the most stupid thing I've ever heard. Fangirls lap the bs up and there's too many of them

 

Reminder :
Shadow is a naive Canelo fanboy. What crock of ****. Its clear as day Shadow is a either a relentless in denial fanboy or a paid bot

 

Maybe you didn't intend to suggest it, but your words indicated otherwise. Whether we observe them cheating or not, they are still cheating or not.

I never actually said what you believed in that post, I asked if you were emore comfortable believing the sport isn't riddled.

As for your question to me, it makes no difference to my life if they cheat or don't cheat. I just choose to believe the words of those I perceived to have nothing left to lose. Like a dying man's testimony if you will.

 

Reminder : Every major official P4P list has Canelo P4P #1. Your argument that it's just "fangirls" who have him P4P #1 makes no sense. Is ESPN, Boxrec, CBS Sports, Ring Magazine, WBN, TalkSport, etc who unanimously have Canelo P4P #1 all just a bunch of "fangirls"?

How do you come to terms with the fact that every major Official P4P list has him P4P #1?

 

What's tainted is your brain, Clear case of CDS.

Some of you keep pointing to "most people thought GGG won" as proof that Canelo lost those fights but then have a hard time admitting that Canelo is the number ONE PFP fighter because most people placed him there.

 

What about my words could possibly be interpreted as anyone not being in actuality "either cheating or not"?
I kept saying that the level is unknown, but nothing I said suggests that there was not an objective reality.
Since you have gotten a few other things wrong about what i explicitly said, unless you can show me where my specific writing indicated this highly improbable, bizarre scenario...

You should stop attributing something so outlandish to me.
When you do not respond to my challenge about wanting to believe to have certainty & maybe being a disenchanted idealist, & ask if I am projecting my feelings unto you, AND say "if you are more comfortable believing the sport is not riddled with PEDs..."
This seems to suggest that I believe that it is not.
Although technically you *could* be not drawing that conclusion, given the set up & context, it seemed that you thought this is the case.

But even if you did not intend this-& I choose to believe you-the question does not make sense if you understood & believed what I kept saying: that I do not know what level PED usage is at, & neither do you.
I guess if there was any good evidence I was denying you could ask, implying I was avoiding the obvious...But this is not the case.

But OK, those who have "nothing left to lose".
I described with no debate from you how people like that have a significant psychological motivation to exaggerate or lie to themselves for reasons of conscience/living with themselves, rationalization, & reputation.
Now granted some of what they say will be because they do not face sanction.
But what i just escribed is indeed something, much, left to lose.

And how many say that *everyone* is dirty, even in their position?
What evidence do they supply?
Even Jose Canseco, the Godfather of steroids in baseball when it was much more prevalent, never said that everyone was using.

To think everyone is using, no matter how lean, consistent their boy has been, without performance ever suspiciously increasing dramatically, with or without a major body transformation....

And that they all are complete fraus, liars & cheats who have no fear of public exposure or getting caught & punished...
That is as extreme a position as you can have, & like if I claimed nobody uses but those who are caught, or everyone caught is really innocent...

It requires *extraordinary* evidence to believe something that flies in the face of all other possibilities.

 

You put up a good argument and made me think about other examples If the facts fit the scenario then it should be considered.

 

You're fundamentally stupid. These "official P4P lists" are shite and so is whatever yours is...you're trying to give Canelos made up p4p 1 status legitimacy with the "official P4P list" line.... The context is completely ignored with you and these trash lists...

Let me repeat it again for you.. Canelo is a weight jumping cherrypicking, match fixing, card stacking cheat. Should have 4 losses on his resume GGGX2 (something you will not accept despite me showing you that you don't know how to score rounds) Lara and Mayweather and his ventures at 168 do not in anyway give him credit for being p4p no. 1.

These official P4P list do not take this into account obviously. And neither do you, because you're on Canelos payroll

 

Yeah I've never used that line of reasoning so I don't know why you're bringing that up.. probably to get some brownie points off low IQ shadow. GGG won purely because he objectively won more than 7 rounds in both fightss... A 36 year old beat the P4P 1 twice.. Embarassing ...lmao

 

You calling me stupid while you spazz out trying to act like your crazy conspiracies are the "norm" and everybody else including all the major sports outlets who do P4P lists somehow don't "get it" is priceless. The official P4P lists don't take into account your crazy theories, because you are not a sane operator. You have a fundamental aversion towards Canelo that makes it impossible for you to think rationally as it pertains to Canelo.

This became very apparent when you argued that GGG won round 6 of the rematch, a round that everyone, even die hard GGG fans who said he won the match, gave to Canelo. This more than anything else proves that you have a stubborn mindset and that you refuse to back off of any argument that you make, even after what you argue has been exposed as nonsensical as I very clearly did in our round 6 debate.

And to be honest Q, I have been nothing but friendly and open-minded towards you, but you continue to attack me in bizarre ways which, regardless of the substance of your points, makes it difficult to engage with you. I can only suggest that you calm down, realize that your theories are your theories alone and they do not relate to the wider boxing world which universally recognizes Canelo as the P4P #1.

 

Well you said as much yourself. That they're either cheating or not. And more than that, it is the reality isn't it, every pro boxer is either cheating or is not cheating. The two options are both mutually exclusive and exhaustive.

Don't worry so much about what is suggested, worry more about what is written. I asked if you would feel more comfortable. It is a question, a question borne out of a chance you were projecting.

Yes you repeatedly state you don't know who is cheating, neither do I. You won't repeatedly state who you believe is cheating, where as I do, all of them.

That is my debate back, they have nothing left to lose, no reason to lie. They have been sanctioned, served their punishments and are stating what they believe to be the case. A case that I choose to believe also.

 

Saying I said that they either are cheating or not is not what you suggested.
That is obvious. But none of that has anything to do with the "quantum uncertainty" analogy you presented.
That we are uncertain who is cheating most of the time is completely different from schrodinger postulating that a discrete result is not established until it is resolved by witnessing it. These are completely different things,.

I am not "worried", I am showing you how the structure of your language suggested to an objective observer that you thought I was projecting.
If you did not mean to say that, fine.

However I just presented a few reasons they would have to not necessarily-but possibly-lie, but exagerate. Believe what they want to. make themselves look & feel less guilty or better in the eyes of the public. Morally justify or minimize illegal & unethical behavior.

These are all reasons to distort the truth-or see it as they wish to.
Also again, even among those who say cheating is common & were caught, it is quite UNcommon to suggest literally everyone cheats.
Which remains an extreme claim that discounts all the reasons folks would not cheat, principle, reputation & consequences having no effect whatsoever.

That is an extreme, untenable claim that would require estraordinary, non-existant evidence.
And I will bet you that if there was a secret ballot that got you either say much money or dead if you were right or wrong on the issue...

It would be rare at best for anyone to take the bet that nobody is not using PEDs in all, or even any, sport.
I dunno if they would even take an 80% bet, but in the worst sports, they might.

 

Yes keeping spinning as if you're rational, no one believes it.

Believing that Canelo-Kovalev (Canelo - Yildrim) wasn't fixed, that Canelo doesn't receive gifts, that he doesn't weight jump and cherrypick, that his meat contamination excuse is legit, isn't just insane its severely low IQ and on the ridiculous scale of naivety. And it's quite clear to anyone these lists don't account for this blatant bull s hittery so I do not know why you are making out like its some looney conspiracy theory when it's more closer to the truth than what you've been fed.

I attack you because you lie, spin and twist things and therefore there is zero point engaging in any meaningful debate with you.

And please, just stop with arguing with rounds.. Look at you acting as if you had a good argument for round 6.. "clear"... you are just utterly strange. You have made it completely clear you exaggerate every punch Canelo throws even if it is a grazing shot or inside glove slap. You can keep banging on about rounds all you like but both me and you know you're a lying deceitful weasel who clearly receives some benefit from defending that con artist. And you keep bringing this stupid round 6 argument up. Here you are basing it off the fact everyone scored it for Canelo (which is not the case as it is) , well guess what most people scored both fights to GGG.. So it's not really an argument.. I've seen someone mention that before and you just ignore it because you're just plain stupid.

Again, I'm not debating with you because you're a lying spinning time wasting piece of trash