What did you think of Fury's conditioning/stamina?

He seems to need a real challenge to look his best and Whyte/Wallin isn't really that. If it's Wallin, he might be motivated to show that the struggles he had the last time were just a fluke. But if it's Usyk or AJ after that, I think he'll really turn it on.

 

I think Wilder was a bit tense as well, which made him gass quickly. Fury is relaxed like a true natural in there, and that's a big part as to why he can keep it going. Usyk has that too.

 

He was better in the 2nd fight. He was slow in the 3rd fight.

 

Remember him putting a Strava post on once after one of his runs , running around the 9 minute mile time which is pretty good considering his size.

 

Fury may employ interval training but he's not naturally suited to this type of training based on his natural physical ability.

Lol it seems I did say treadmill I honestly thought I just said intervals. I was in the hospital when posting in this thread and so I was a bit distracted and just randomly posting and not really paying as much attention to what I post as normal.

I'll admit my posts in this thread haven't been clear and need clarifying and so I can see why you've pulled me up on this.

So let's be clear, when I say he doesn't have great stamina I mean just that and when I say he has great endurance I also mean just that.

How is that possible you say, well stamina and endurance are not the same thing, it's too terminologies that often get thrown around by people meaning the same thing but actually they are slightly different. Both relate to the capacity to do physical or mental task for a long/maximum period of time. But there is a distinction stamina is the capacity to do a task for the maximum amount of time but at a high level of exertion, so when we talk about stamina we are talking sprints, intervals, tabata, etc. Endurance is only about doing something for the maximum about of time at lower levels of effort.

So when I say Fury doesn't have great stamina I mean if he's required to do high capacity work like 400m sprints repeats he's going to gas out faster than some of his peers. But when I say he has great endurance it means he can do a steady state run or similar lower intensity exercise for far longer than some of his peers. So when I responded to the comment about Steward saying Fury could run and run that's why I agreed with that. It may have sounded contradictory and to be fair I see why because I wasn't clear, but I hope I have clarified my view point.

Now how do I know this? Well I obviously don't know for sure it's pure speculation. But an athletes abilities in regard to this is partially dependent on your muscle type ratio. Fury isn't the fast twitch muscle fibre type, like Wilder or Joshua, he's not particularly fast or explosive, so he likely has predominantly the slower twitch muscle type which means while he's not as fast or as explosive he will have better endurance than Wilder or Joshua. Joshua in contrast is predominantly likely to have the faster twitch muscle fibre type which is why he has a tendency to tire in fights.

Now of course you can train in specific ways to alter your ratio of muscle fibre types but in general it's limited by your genetics and can only do so much to change that.

So Fury does have good perhaps even great endurance but he's probably not got as good as capacity to work for longer periods at higher exertion levels so his stamina is probably not as great as his endurance. Maybe that's why he has also learned to become so good and controlling pace in fights so that element of his fitness isn't tested.

As for Joyce and Fury, I'm not sure Joyce even with his work rate and size will be the guy to push Fury to a pace he isn't comfortable with. One element missing in Joyce's game is while huge and probably very strong, he isn't actually a very physical fighter, he doesn't clinch or maul or manhandle like Fury, he doesn't seem to have this skill set and if he ever does fight Fury I think that's going to be a big factor and when Fury clinches him, even though he's probably stronger he won't be able to get the upper hand in the clinches and will end up fighting more at Fury's pace rather than his own. Right now I don't see anyone with the right mix of size, workout rate and inside game to make Fury fight anything but at his own pace.

 

He went 11 rounds without showing much of a difference between round 1 and 11, then sang to the crowd, then went dancing/clubbing with Steve Aoki.

I think there are other things Fury could be criticized for: motivation, sloppiness, lack of feints, etc. But his stamina seems beyond reproach to me.

 

Stamina seemed good.

His overall condition was poor, or at least could have been better.

 

Agree he was fat and almost Ruiz jiggly. I think he took Wilder too lightly. He wasn't feinting and moving hardly at all. He was in slow motion compared to the 2nd fight. Good fight though

 

I saw it that way too. Look at all the sweat pouring down Wilder when the ref is giving them instructions before the fight. Fury by contrast is super relaxed. Panic will drain anyone of energy especially when you have someone as big as the Gypsy King leaning on you too.

 

I see a number of people making excuses for Fury’s poor condition. There’s no excuse for showing up to a big fight in such poor shape. I understand he had to deal with some inconveniences but he should’ve entered camp in good shape to begin with. Fight prep is meant to refine skills and strategy not use it as a weight loss boot camp. I remember Nigel Benn saying a true professional only needs 8 weeks to be in top fighting shape. Regardless of what story he spins to the media, obviously he has a training and food discipline issue and it’s that lack of discipline that’s going to be his undoing. It’s coming a lot sooner than many realize.

 

But who decided this? Interval training is not some arcane science, nor is it exclusively beneficial to a genetically special few. My girl's dad does interval sprints in his normie workouts, and he's a career coach.

So which type of HW boxer is "naturally suited"? Some 'explosive afflete' like David Haye, who loves his intervals much more than his runs but has an established habit of blowing out of his culo when pushed in actual high-pace fights? You can keep that "stamina" and those "naturally suited" genetics.

Fury isn't the most explosive athlete on the planet, but nor was Carl Froch, who used both roadwork and interval training to a high level of effectivity in keeping a pace and producing and maintaining bursts of output.

These are nuances that have been inserted by the generalized sports and fitness industry, demarcation lines that any Joe who browses related websites can be seduced by and believe they've become privy to some specialized understanding. There's a reason why [url]a garden-variety Wikipedia search for "Stamina" will lead you instead to its page on "Endurance"[/url] (I just checked, for the sake of making this point) — they are, in essence and origin, interchangeable terms. All else is semantical reinterpretation touted by guys with paper qualifications who don't fight. We're talking boxing, not soccer or some other game. Go into a boxing gym and you will hear the term "stamina" used to denote your ability to keep going at even a moderate pace. If you can go at a higher pace than the next man, that just means you have better stamina; nobody there is going to tell you, "This fella over here has endurance, but he can't keep up with the fella over here with the buckets of stamina."

Fury has above-average stamina, that's indisputable. He can set a high pace, if he wishes. Can he keep up if pushed into a high pace by a mythical fighter who fits your specs? I've seen nothing to suggest he couldn't and more than enough to suggest he could.

He doesn't necessarily need to be a stylistic clincher/mauler to resist/negate Fury's mauling and clinching with his own physical strength and presence and impose his pace on the fight.

Seems like you're creating a set of specs by which to issue statements that can never be disproven by your lights. You're talking about a type of fighter which is seldom, if ever (depending on the measures you're imagining), seen.

 

He came in at 277. Deliberately heavy. His camp wasn't about losing weight. It was about being properly fuelled up to, and conditioned at, a high weight. Sure, he didn't end up as conditioned as last time out (perceptibly softer), but twenty months without a bout plus disruptions to camp is a compound of factors that can account for that.

Fury doesn't need an excuse, he beat the crap out of Wilder. We're talking about some increments (or, more to the point, decrements) of difference in his preparation.

 

Shwmae!

Yes Joe was always running, and the valleys are a great area to do it. Lots of natural steep inclines. Mynydd Twyn-glas, Mynydd y Lan and Twmbarlwm are all 400 metre mountains within 7 or 8 miles of Trecelyn. There are probably literally hundreds of mountains within a 20 minute drive from there!

 

Peter Fury was a big fan of old school roadwork he would get them out running in all conditions. If it was raining he would make them run without coats, he would drive them to the middle of nowhere and make them run home, swim through rivers all sorts. This is where the mental stamina and toughness comes from.