Yeah you knew it was coming. Where do you rankTyson Fury in h2h?

Wilder is a ten defense champ with arguably the hardest right hand ever. Fury went 36 rounds without getting knocked out. Wlad was still one of the best ever to do it. Fury’s feinting and awkwardness turned Wlad into an old guy who couldn’t pull the trigger whereas guys like Pulev got there heads knocked off against pretty much the same guy.

Name your heavyweights who far exceeded Fury’s top three wins.

 

I was taking a dig at Widler’s stamina, which is leagues ahead of 70s Foreman’s.

Liston only proved himself against undersized and/or mediocre heavyweights. There’s nothing there to suggest he would hang with the K bros. And looked awful when he had two chances to step up.

 

It's easy to have "better" stamina with such a low workrate. Besides, who talks about 1980s Foreman?

The same thing applies to Wilder.

Again, the same thing applies to Wilder and Liston actually didn't look bad against Ali in the first fight.

 

Fury hasn't reached the ATG level of this century's greatest: Wlad and Lewis. But give him a couple of more years and I believe he might pass Wlad, especially if he beats more quality opposition...of which I personally believe Wilder was a member.

He consummately beats Joshua or Ruiz...his standing will soar imo.

Usyk might be his toughest...but I hesitate to champion that fight, as I have a feeling it would be a bit of a snooze.

 

70s Foreman.

Wilder has existed with superheavies, beat Ortiz and Stiverne and drew with Fury. That isn’t Liston’s world. I said zero about him beating the K bros though.

Liston looked okay for like three rounds against Ali. Not much there.

 

FURY's fighting No One, he doesn't want it, he's done, he's finished. it is easy to fight a familiar foe, especially one whom you have beat...

Fury's choices 'IF' he even picks one will be even more subpar than MOST of his opponents.

Fury is finished he doesn't want any threat, it is easier to Claim superiority in this HYPED Up, Everything is "the Best Thing EVER" Pay per View... Money Rules World. Fury IS Finished and his Hot air will carry him over the next year or two.

No Where, NEVER Top Shelf, Never mind Great...

ONE Historic Name, 4 Noted others and a pathetic career before them. a Good fighter from a Poor Era.

"That's All Folks"

 

Yeah, calling Stiverne a superheavy because he carried a lot of fat is definitely fair. In shape Stiverne would weigh less than Williams or Valdes.

 

You’re nitpicking a small component of what I wrote. The guy has a history of beating Arreola, Austin, Helenius, and Price. He’s representative of superheavyweight boxing in a way that Liston and Valdes (trash) aren’t.

 

No I don't, but whatever. You can believe that Wilder is better than Liston, everybody can be wrong.

 

Wilder is 4-2-1 against the grand total of three ranked fighters he's faced. Two of those wins are over Bermaine Stiverne A ten defence champ he may be, because he never fought anyone elite, avoided every prime fighter around at the time and was never ranked number one. It's not some great win. It's a decent win due to how he beat him, but Wilder was never anything special. He was a limited puncher with good intangibles.

Wlad was 39 years old. Someone was gonna beat him at some point. Sure, he wasn't like Ali was at 39, bug it's not like Fury beat some fresh faced youngen. Wlad was old, and just because Pulev couldn't beat him doesn't make him great. Furthermore, you don't even believe this yourself. You said this to me a while back:

^that's checkmate btw

Ali, Lewis, Foreman, Liston, Frazier, Tyson, Holyfield, Wlad, Louis, Marciano, etc

Even Chris Byrd has three better.

 

You're talking to someone who has defended wilder dozens of times on the forum. In no way shape or form is his stamina "leagues ahead" of Foreman. He barely throws anything per round. It's easy to look like you have good stamina with a low punch output.

Liston is far better than guys like Brewster, Peter, etc who steam rolled Wladmir. It's about styles. Liston is not only just as aggressive and hard hitting as the men who gave Wladmir serious problems, he had a formidable jab and good ring generalship. Wladmir would panic and fold against a prime Liston.

 

He'll change his stance to shift the goal post for whatever agenda he's trying to push.

 

If you think 4-2-1 with the loses and draw coming against a lineal champ is bad, go find his company over the last 50 years. That should be equal or better than Bowe, Norton, and Witherspoon.

As for the quote, I stand by that. Wlad was old as **** and gunshy, and I pick a prime Wlad to beat Fury. That doesn't make Fury's win meaningless.

 

I did not say that. Read more.

 

Foreman didn't even win a 12 round fight until 95, and it was by robbery. Prime Foreman had the worst stamina of any top 20 heavyweight. And yes, I count poor pacing due to punching yourself out as bad stamina.