Floyd Mayweather Vs Sugar Ray Leonard who wins prime for prime

I’ve debated you before.

A while ago now.

I can recall thinking that you were trolling.


Regarding Ray, it’s not just about the size.

It’s the size, PLUS the equal skill set, PLUS the equal speed, and PLUS the superior power.

All of the above together.


Floyd could beat bigger, lesser fighters.

Of course he could. But he NEVER encountered anybody like Ray before.

Floyd had a significant reach advantage over the majority of his opponents.

Floyd had a speed advantage over every opponent.

Floyd had a skill set above every opponent.

Ray would have taken all of those usual advantages away.


No way Sugar would have won?

Ha!

Floyd was past his prime at WW-JMW, where he was a safety first fighter with hand issues.

He only had respectable power.

If Ray had turned the bout into a fight, Floyd would have had zero answer.


Come back when you possess knowledge of Ray’s career.

 

He wasn’t breaking Ray down.

Get real man.

They’d have started out boxed each other. A chess match. And IF Floyd was coming out on top, then Ray would have turned the boxing match into a fight, just like how he did against Hearns.

Floyd was a safety first boxer, who was used out speeding lesser fighters.

Floyd would not have engaged Ray Leonard in a fight.

He’d have had no answer for Ray’s aggressive onslaught.

He’d have covered up and fought defensively, with his main objective being not to have gotten hurt.

If you’re not trolling, you obviously have no knowledge of Leonard’s career.

Floyd wasn’t beating Ray Leonard at WW-JMW. And the likelihood is, he’d never have signed for the fight.

 

Of course you are. But with zero logic.

 

You’ve already being told why.

A past his best version of Floyd couldn’t have beaten a prime version of Ray Leonard.

Floyd could only box.

Whereas Ray could box and fight.

Floyd was not at his best at WW.

If you want, you can have a LWW version of Floyd vs Ray.

 

Ray fought Benitez, Duran, Hagler and Hearns.

Different skill sets to Floyd, but A level skill sets nonetheless.

Who did Floyd fight who had the A level ability that Ray had?

Who did Floyd fight who was an ATG and who was in their prime?

Again, who did Floyd ever fight who could match him for BOTH speed AND skills?

The answer is: NOBODY.

Ray matched Floyd in size, speed and skills, BUT he also had superior power too.

Ray encountered guys who were on Floyd’s level.

Floyd never encountered anybody who was on Ray’s level.

 

Clueless.

 

You could say SRL never encountered anybody like FMJ either. There's no guarantee who'd win, just speculation.
I've hated FMJ all his career, but he proved me wrong so many times, so I can never write him off.

 

A prime version of Ray Leonard wasn’t losing on points in a boxing match. Simply because, if Ray couldn’t have gotten the best of Floyd in a boxing match, he’d have turned it into a fight well before the end of the bout. He had that option.

Nobody on here has told us what would have happened if Ray had’ve fought Floyd aggressively.

Maybe you can try.

If Ray had fought Floyd aggressively, what could Floyd have done to combat that?

Floyd was a master boxer.

He didn’t fight shootouts with people.

 

Whilst Ray never encountered anybody EXACTLY like Floyd before, he encountered fighters who were on Floyd’s level, and whilst they were in/close to their prime.

Whereas Floyd never fought anybody on Ray’s level before.


Floyd had a significant reach advantage over most of the opponents that he faced.

He had a speed advantage over EVERY opponent that he faced.

He was more skilful than EVERY opponent that he faced.


Ray would have taken all of those usual advantages away.


Floyd never fought anyone in his career with equal speed and skill.


Ray was as skilful, as quick, as big, but with much more firepower too.


It’s okay saying that Floyd proved you wrong, so you could never right him off. That’s fine. But again, he fought NOBODY like the prime version of Leonard that we’re putting forward here.


Now look at how they’d have matched up stylistically.


Again, IF Ray was coming up short in a boxing match, he’d have turned the bout into a fight. And if he’d have done that, what exactly would Floyd have done to combat that?


Anybody who possess knowledge of both fighters would have favoured Ray BIG.


As well as possessing the qualities that I’ve mentioned above, Ray also had the experience and the confidence that Floyd didn’t have.

 

a wise man once said "where there is a sugar ray,, there's got to be a way"

That's not to say I agree with him.

We saw that as Ray assumed the role of aggressor, he was much less effective. He only likes countering when the opponent comes straight at him

A great example of this is the Terry Norris fight

So I expect this to be much like the Pernel - Julio fight with another questionable verdict

 

Deary me. I just told you who he fought and skillwise they are every bit Floyd's equal or superior.

And when a fighter fights another fighter matters a lot.

 

Lol at "superior."

 

but they wasnt is the thing it's a breakdown which says the things sugar was missing others had that floyd fought which would make sugar lose

 

yea lying

 

agian white we argee it is nobody sugar fought who was like floyd neither ver the master defensive old one

and the fancy angled defensively young floyd who could counter great with combos or a clean ko

sugar fought nobody who had either one of these on that type of skill level

and white you seen my post so I know you seen me ask mutiple times for these crazy trolls to show me anybody who moved like razor in Louis era and they wont cause it didnt exist

legend magoo instead of him debunking what I said on razor he weirdly avoids and talks on who loss when it has nothing to do with the breakdown cause he knows im right

I even said mutiple times no way louis beats George cause it is nobody who louis fought who hit as hard
cut off or who came forward with that amount of pressure
they cant show anybody close to that ether cause it didnt exist
they wont show it cause they know im right

I can show video proof of the top guys and none agian will have close to the skill of floyd