Could Jimmy Young have beaten Muhammad Ali in a rematch?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    LOL.
    It wouldn't bloody sell!
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

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    Yeah every time he got serous Young "ducked out". Ali should have put his foot on his ass and gave him a good shove out of the ring altogether.
    • "The reason I kept ducking through the ropes, seriously, was to take some of the pressure off me." - Jimmy Young.
     
  3. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Young himself said."I thought I had just pulled out a split decision".So he didnt think he had done,"all the scoring" did he?
     
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  4. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    what pressure? Ali couldnt hit him
     
  5. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    knowing the enormous popularity of Ali, Jimmy thought it would be close. We all know how judges are

    put that together with the fact that Jimmy did all the scoring, it would figure to be a split decision
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    The pressure he himself admitted to. I bolded it so it was excessively easy to see and understand. I guess not.
     
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  7. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Sorry it won't wash.Ali couldnt fight and Young refused to.
     
  8. Mark Dunham

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    you may not approve of the style, but the game of the game is scoring. Judges do not score based on style but on scoring. Let's face it, this is one fight in which Ali lost
     
  9. Mark Dunham

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    he was most likely referring to the pressure of a big fat walrus coming towards him and pushing him thru the ropes
     
  10. Tonto62

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    No ,actually he won a U Dec because his opponent didn't have the nuts to go and take the title.The scores flattered Ali ,but to award the title to Young after that performance would have been a travesty. There was no demand for a rematch,I know that much!
     
  11. JohnThomas1

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    What round can we see this walrus enter the scene Red?

    Do we need the assistance of some LSD?
     
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  12. autumn1976

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    I admire Young. Don't find him stylistically pleasing and, boy, was he a spoiler. Still he was clever and he was brave. Going into their '77 fight Foreman was a frightening opponent - and yet Young found a way to win. He was lucky he faced an Ali who was in woeful shape. The belly. The lack of muscle tone in the arms. The timing so off. I don't think Young would have beat a focused Ali in a rematch. Ali was on the slide in '76. He still had enough to beat Young, though.
     
  13. autumn1976

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    Exactly.
     
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  14. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It’s probably likely that he would have.
    Ali managed a couple of more close shaves against Shavers and Norton but was running on close to empty. It’s hard to believe the thrilla was only 6 months before the Young fight and he had a fight with Coopman in between!
    Young was beating Lyle and Foreman in the next couple of years, I think he would have pulled it off.
     
  15. Mark Dunham

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    you are still confusing STYLE for scoring and it is scoring in which Jimmy excelled

    I dont see why you continue to pursue a lost cause, trying to make a case where none exists while ignoring the obvious

    and Jimmy's right hands to the head could simply not be ignored.

    He had Ali covering up and while his hands were up guarding his head, Jimmy unloaded to the body. Ali simply could not solve his style

    so why would THIS be a travesty???

    Jimmy scored to both the head AND the body. Moreover, you must give points when going to the body otherwise, Joe Frazier never would have won Fight of the Century