Floyd Mayweather Vs Sugar Ray Leonard who wins prime for prime

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  1. Loudon

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    It’s painful reading these posts.

    You have no understanding of anything.
     
  2. Loudon

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    Ray wouldn’t have been ineffective being the aggressor in a match against Floyd. Simply because Floyd would have backed up and covered up, which would have negated his own offence.

    Ray was finished by the time he fought Norris. Also, Norris and Floyd weren’t alike.
     
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  3. Loudon

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    Give us a realistic breakdown of this hypothetical fight.

    Tell us what Floyd would have done, if Ray had fought him aggressively.
     
  4. Loudon

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    Get acquainted with Floyd at WW, unless you want a 130 Floyd vs a prime version of Ray.

    At WW, Ray had equal speed, a better offence and more power.

    Ray aged because he didn’t live the life outside of the ring.

    None of what you wrote would have favoured Floyd in a H2H match up.

    It doesn’t matter if you think that Floyd was a better overall P4P fighter.
     
  5. scandcb

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    Which he wasn't anyway.
     
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  6. Loudon

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    Another awful post.

    How can the Fab Four AND Benitez, NOT have been close in skill to Floyd?

    You’re an embarrassment.

    Ray used his power to knock out Hearns after he was getting outboxed.

    So what does a safety first Floyd do against an aggressive version of Ray, who had much more firepower?

    I’ll give you the answer:

    He’d have covered up.
     
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  7. Loudon

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    Because it’s due to STYLES.

    Canelo wasn’t in his prime against Floyd, and he couldn’t match Floyd for speed or skills.

    Now he’s in his own prime, yes, he can walk down naturally bigger, but lesser fighters than himself.

    Are you seriously implying that because Canelo was bigger and stronger than Ray and that he had no success against Floyd, it means that Ray wouldn’t have had any success either?
     
  8. Mark Dunham

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    you mean the way he backed up Norris & Camacho, the only two slicksters he ever fought?

    Ray wasnt finished when he faced them, they only made him LOOK finished and get this: both of the winners were huge underdogs
     
  9. Loudon

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    Ha!

    I can’t tell on here anymore.

    I hope you’re right though.

    I hope he has trolled me.

    I pity anyone who’s genuinely that ignorant.
     
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  10. Loudon

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    Ha!

    He was nearly 41 against Macho, with 6 years of inactivity. But yeah, he wasn’t finished.

    Okay.


    We’re not looking at shot versions of Ray at MW.

    We’re looking at peak versions of Ray at MW-JMW.

    It doesn’t matter what Norris did etc.


    You are only looking at a hypothetical fight between the best version of Ray at those weights, and the best versions of Floyd at those weights. Also, the best versions of Floyd didn’t even fight at those weights.


    Ray would have been a significant favourite over a past his prime Floyd which we saw at WW and JMW.
     
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  11. Loudon

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    Wifred wasn’t slick?
     
  12. Mark Dunham

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    well I'm sorry but both slicksters made a fool of him, embarrassed him, humiliated him, outclassed him, ruined his reputation of impregnability, and there's no sense trying to hide it

    while you were at it, you should have mentioned that Camacho was nearly 35, fighting 30 pounds above his natural weight, had been brutally beaten to a pulp five years earlier, beaten three times for three straight years, not to mention Leonard was the naturally bigger man with 7 inches reach

    so yes, Floyd WOULD compete favorably and NO, Leonard isnt going to just walk over him, story over. Wishful thinking.
     
  13. scandcb

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    What an odd post.
     
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  14. Mark Dunham

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    Wilfred lacked the necessary aggression. he simply laid back and waited to counter even when he saw that tactic wasnt working

    It was working well for Leonard but not for Wilfred.

    Benitez just could not adjust when things weren't going his way

    we saw the same thing when he lost o Hearns
     
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  15. Mark Dunham

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    well obviously, it DID matter.

    What we saw that night in December '91 was mastery that showcased all the talents of a young genius

    He possessed so many talents that Ray could not know what was coming next whether it be a lightning left hook too quick for the eye to see; a body shot to the ribs that buckled the legs early; an uppercut that sliced through Ray's high guard, a one two that intimidated Ray Leonard and had him covering on the ropes, or Terry's immense hand speed that enabled him to beat Ray to the punch time after time after time. Not to mention the beauty of Terry's footwork that kept him out of harms way, namely the combination punching of Leonard that claimed so many others

    However, Floyd doesnt have Terry's foot speed or power; he is not the intimidating threat that Norris was so I like Ray's chances much better

    at best, Ray gets lucky and catches Floyd, gets him in trouble late and possibly wins a decision

    at worst, he cant figure out Floyd's style and gets outpointed