Who ranks higher in ATG lists usyk or ward

Oakland merchant will lose this.

 

I respect Ward but Usyk. The names on Ward's resume have not aged well.

Funny, because Ward said he might come back to try for the heavyweight title, and I always thought if Usyk won it would be a natural match. But It took too long and things are too jammed up from covid. Don't think Ward it going to put the feelers out.

 

Usyk, Ward fought most of his bigger fights in his hometown and never fought outside of the USA. Uysk fought all his fights since 2016 in his opponents backgard.
Also Usyk has the bigger names on his resume.

 

Usyk. Next question.

 

Ward beat Froch, Kessler, Kovalev, probably all your damn heroes and he gets no respect. Usyk been beaten up on guys you never thought was good in the first place but look up on how much credit he get!

 

All of them on his own turf.

Usyk been smacking guys in their own back yard, fight after fight.

 

Dawg, If I break a damn steel door in my own backyard and you break a Styrofoam packing peanut in someone else's backyard, the ish I did is gonna be more impressive anyway so I don't wanna hear it.

 

It is cool cos you most likely judge them regards to their passports.

Kovalev had competed vs Beterbiev in ams and never in pros. While Bet had Usyk in ams and was a pro in 175 lbs division.
Btw the same Briedis had sparred with Kov, some other lads I do know too.

While about Kessler, this headbutt win might be praised till end of universe.
Ward just should had just 2 nd fight vs Kessler to get appreciation more than from this 1 fight.
I had sparred vs Nigel Benn and Kessler and do have some clue about them.

Kovalev wasn't prime Bet or Gvozdyk and sorry, Ward had retired early.
While Usyk had balls even to defend his undisputed status in CW in U.K. With 5 belts on the line.
Ward was hometown pro boxer while as am he had traveled.

Ofc I agree that Ward was really great boxer, legit Olympic Champion and elite pro boxer with 0 doubts.
I had even watched looks like 7 Ward am boxing fights and he liked me a lot: very talented and really hardworking lad, bright and gifted by God.

 

Usyk, he did what Ward did but better.

He completely unified a more competitive division, away from home.

He beat a more prime belt holder and compiled a better resume in his 2nd division.

 

Usyk without a doubt.

 

This reminds me, my friend, of a story I heard once. A man makes a bet with another that he is able to race around the world in his horse against a man who is having a high flying plane. The man with the high flying plane is enthused and he is giddy and he is so happy-faced that he bets everything he took from his wealthy father on this bet because how can a man with a horse do this to him he says and he thinks. He says to himself that this is no way that this can be done. So, they take off at the begin where the race starts to be won. The man in the high flying plane has secured his victory in his own mind, that they would extend this to three times around the world. So the man with his horse takes off as well, at a gallop. The high flying plane goes ZOOOOOM up into the air and it is a plane, it is high, and it is flying. The horse man gallops but in no straight line? No! They say that the shortest distance between two true points is a straight line. But why? He gallops to his left, and circles back toward his wife, his son, his mother, his daughter, his feline, and his goat. He drive rides his horse around and around, three times, in a row, around his people. All of them. The son, the mother, the wife, the feline, the goat, and the daughter. Three times. In a row. He declares himself the victor and he goes home. But why? The small town of Chingatumadre Buffalo Jump is crazed, craven, perplexed, bewildered, bewitched, betwitched, and bebothered.

The plane man pilot takes what might as well be eons to go on and on around the world, and it takes eighty-one days. He finally comes home, to see the man with the horse going on about his business about town. And to find him there does not bother him because he makes assumption that this man QUIT-surely-when he realized that he would lose his prized goat and daughter to the plane pilot anyway. Pilot man put his money against this as the bet which I forget to mention about earlier at the beginning of the first paragraph. So then, he finds that through the townspeoples' murmurs, whispers and gossip that YES the horse man had declared himself the victor after he galloped around his families. But WHY? He confronts the man...who says "You went around your world I guess, but I only went around mine." That meant that his families were his world, but not the rich man. Anyway, the rich man ordered the sheriff to hang him and which he did so and then he took his goat and daughter as his own as per the original verbal agreement. The girl later choked on a turnip which had been overly fried in lard fat in a cast iron skillet and died. Before any children could be borned. So, this reminds of the moral of the story, Surrix. You can legally beat a family man in a race, but all you'll win will never bear you children.

 

This surely isn't a legit question?

Usyk did Undisputed Cruiser and has now gone up to Heavyweight and is now unified after clearly beating one of the top 2/3) fighters.
Ward was never undisputed @168 , then he went up to 175 and was very VERY lucky to get the decision against Kovalev - most folks think that was a bit of home-cooking there.

So even on that achievement, Usyk is way out ahead - Cruiser > Heavy is pretty much universally regarded as the biggest and hardest division jump to make - why only Holyfield and Haye have managed it previously (i guess this overlooks guys like Jones Jr who skipped Cruiser, and older fighters who went from LH > HW before Cruiser existed, but still...)

But then if you look at resume, it's fairly clear too IMO
Ward get's props for Froch and even the squeak-by Kovalev and the low-blow fest rematch - but after that his resume becomes a good bit more questionable IMO:-

• Kessler - Zags already laid the blueprint on how to beat Kessler, and Ward also spoiled that fight with dirty billy-goat butts all fight. What the ref let Ward away with in that fight was a disgrace IMO
• Dawson - weight-drained to all crap; a good name but not a great win IMO

After that there is a real dearth of quality on Wards resume IMO - Bika, Miranda, Barrera and Abraham would be next up, but are any of them really great wins? Both Miranda and Abraham were career 160ists and struggled badly @168

Vast majority of Wards fights were in Oakland - never once did he leave the US - and I believe he should have in the original Super 6; the only fighter not to dig out his passport. Can't blame Ward - he simply followed the Floyd approach of getting as many advantages as he could IMO.

Look at Uyk's last 10 fights in reverse order:-

• Johsua
• Chisora
• Witherspoon*
• Bellew
• Gassiev
• Breidis
• Huck
• Hunter
• Mchunu
• Glowacki

I've asterisked Witherspoon as it's an understandable anomaly given it was his 1st 'tune-up' at Heavyweight

Considering Usyk has only had 19 fights (Ward had 32) his resume is already much deeper than Ward, and none of his wins were in anyway controversial - Breids being the only fight in his career where one of the 3 judges didn't have Usyk as the winner.

Even if Usyk was to lose against AJ in the rematch (doubtful IMO) or Fury in undisputed (higher chance of this for sure), he would still be well above Ward in my ATG list - but in interests of full disclosure - aside for his Ring IQ and adaptability, I was never a big fan of Ward when he was active, I think he wasted much of his potential and could have achieved much more than he did - I blame Floyd (and Calzaghe to a lesser extent) for this modern obsession with being undefeated - 'preserving the 0'.

My 2c

 

$ in account as american only one alone real God, including your own God? ($ and passport ).
Resume?
Ward is levels below this:
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