Fury's size might not help much against Usyk.

None of the top 5 HW's are in their 20's: Fury is 33, Usyk is 35, Wilder is 36, AJ is 32, Joyce is 36. In modern HW boxing, a 27 year old is pre-prime and a SHW in his late 30's may be closer to his prime than the 27 year old, especially if the SHW is extremely focused, disciplined and motivated with vast top level experience, a less aggressive style, good genes for longevity and the best PED's.

 

Wilder has sustained two crushing losses on the bounce and never had the best skillset so the likelihood is that he's past his prime yes.

I don't think that the 30 year old Wlad who was getting punched up and down the ring by Sam Peter was near prime Wlad. I also don't think there was much difference in ability between the Wlad who decisioned Sultan/Haye/Povetkin and the Wlad who obliterated Pulev.

 

Lol
The "Wlad was prime at 40" crew is in the house.
This guy is literally saying that a person close to 40 is closer to prime than a person in late 20s
So I guess Berbick defeated a prime Ali. Prime Tyson got KTFOed by pre prime McBride.
SNV has a win over a slightly past it Holyfield.
I guess in boxing history we saw a lot of 40 year old boxers beating top guys in there late 20s, and taking titles from them.

 

We are talking about SHW's, not small HW's or cruisers and we are talking about a modern fighter in Wlad, not guys from 30 or 50 years ago. SHW's hit their primes latest and decline most slowly and power/strength/experience matter more in the HW division than speed.

Fury was closer to his mid 20's than his late 20's; he was 27 to Wlad's 39.5. The average age of a top 5 HW today is between 34 and 35, so it's entirely plausible that Wlad was closer to his prime than Fury. Wlad was also the most disciplined, motivated and focused HW champion of all time with a very cautious style, advanced sports science and safety standards, with his brother still the No.2 HW at 41 years old. Most believe that tiny Mike Tyson hit his prime in his late teens or early 20's and he was one of the least disciplined HW champions with a young man's style, so it's absurd on every level to compare him to Wlad, or to compare Wlad with a punch-drunk Ali.

A 27 year old Wlad was in between getting smashed by Sanders and gassing out against Brewster, I don't think even you would argue that this version was worse than the one Fury fought. 30 year old Wlad aka the nervy, non-champion Wlad who got punched up and down the ring by Sam Peter the first time wasn't prime Wlad imo. The more mature Wlad who fought Sultan (who drew with Ray Austin the fight before and got dropped) and later Haye (who edged Valuev a couple of fights prior) didn't exactly destroy them. The Wlad who fought Fury was just a year removed from arguably his career best performance against Pulev and 17 months post-Fury, inactive, defeated and fighting away, he gave 27.5 year old AJ all he could handle and would have got him out of there if not for lacking the killer instinct (a perpetual issue for Wlad, as Steward made clear a million times) to jump on a badly hurt, gassed out, disorientated AJ.

The "Wlad was shot" narrative was something that people latched onto after the fact to discredit Fury. Before the fight Wlad was a massive 4/1 favourite, was on a 22 win streak, was the most skilled and experienced he'd ever been and had signed a 5 fight extension to his TV contract only a few months before, while Fury's best prior opponents had been Steve Cunningham and Derek Chisora. Few thought it was anything other than a mismatch that favoured Wlad based on their respective recent performances but in reality, Fury was a mega-talent as Steward had recognised several years before and his prior two wins over Chisora (who is still a very tough fight for alleged top contenders and even Usyk to this day) and Hammer (who was still going the distance with Povetkin, Ortiz and Yoka quite recently) were so ridiculously dominant that it wasn't far-fetched that he could beat Wlad at all.

 

Sanders also was better than Wilder, regardless how Klits haters attempts to portray.

Well, okey.

Go to the hell with your Fury and come back when Fury will fight in the ring when he will be 39 years old.

What from this?

Yo might claim that Fury is better boxer than anyone else just cos he won vs Wlad?
Go please and dream.

If Fury wasn't large size bloke, he never had beat even Cunningham who had floored him.

 

I would be surprised if Usyk gets stopped

 

Or maybe it had something to do with Wilder also being better than in the second fight, making Fury look bad by doing things he didn't do in the second fight, namely throwing constant jabs and straights to Fury's body who had difficulties defending against them?

Fury was probably every bit as good as he was in the second fight in the third fight, but perhaps Wilder was better? Ever considered that as a possibility?

 

So you finally agree Fury did deem Cunningham and especially Wallin as a 'THREAT'? Thank you very much!

A half-blind Fury battered Wallin? So how was Fury half-blind in the first place? Oh that's right, you left the part where a fully non-blind Fury had to have been battered himself to have been half-blind in the first place by Wallin? Don't pain this fight as anything but impressive. Many people see this fight as a draw, and justifiably so. I don't have a problem with anybody thinking Fury won, but that's besides the point.##

You do realize that 2 mistakes don't make a right? Just because Wladimir Klitschko fouled, does not at all absolve Fury for his fouls. Furthermore, it is FAR FAR worse to directly KO an opponent with a foul than it is to simply clinch, even excessively. What Fury did to Cunningham was astronomically worse than what Wlad did even against someone like Povetkin. Holding someone's head, pulling them into a punch and then knocking them out or rabbit punching. I can't think of a single instance where Wlad actually KO'ed an opponent with an illegal punch, but the same can't be said of Fury.

Also, the difference between Wlad vs Povetkin and Fury vs Wallin is what Wlad did to Povetkin in the 2 round. Go and see that first knockdown again and comeback and tell me if Povetkin even had a glimmer of a chance. He got sent across the ring with a short ass left-hook that looked more like a tap than a power-punch. If anything, Wlad saved Povetkin from suffering a humiliating KO in his own country in front of his own fans than he helped himself by continuously clinching Povetkin. Meanwhile, Fury was the one getting battered and schooled by a B level fighter (inferior to Povetkin) in a normal boxing match before he started to lean on Wallin. MASSIVE DIFFERENCE! Wlad proved he could effortlessly KO Povetkin with actual punches and not clinching while Fury could not even put a dent on Wallin with his best shots and no choice but to lean on Wallin.

'Shut-out' was a hyperbole obviously. However, don't think for a second Fury could do to Usyk (keep him at a distance with his jab) which he could not even do to an inferior Wallin who is also a southpaw.

Go ahead and tell me when Chisora was the mandatory, I'll wait! Also, did Chisora not lose to Haye and did Wladimir Klitschko not faced Haye and beat Haye? Obviously you're not even comprehending what your yourself are writing. You mention Samuel Peter being a bad matchup for Wlad, whom he faced twice and beat twice, and is bigger, stronger and more of a threat than Chisora, but you want to on the same hand, claim he ducked Chisora when he already beat a better version of Chisora? Epic logic fail and IQ test fail here!

You don't care about contracts? So how do you know who is the champion, who is the mandatory, who deserves a shot and etc? Or are you going to expose more of your logic fails here? In case you didn't know, everything in boxing is a contract, including the following of rules and judging. Without it, you wouldn't even know Fury beat Wlad.

And what makes you think Wladimir Klitschko is a nationalist and that he is obligated to care specifically about fighters from a country he was born in? Ever considered the possibility that he is not a patriot and supports people for other reasons outside of nationality? And last time I checked, Fury never beat Wlad in UKRAINE so another fail from your behalf. Wlad is as much of a German as Fury is. It's not Wlad's fault Fury is an unintelligent LOW IQ circus clown who can only speak one language and can't make himself a star in multiple countries like the Klitschkos could. Wlad even becoming the superstar that he became in Germany, is a greater achievement than anything Fury has ever done, including his own over Wlad in Germany.

 

Lol what joke.
Nobody is close to prime at age 40.
This is stupid.

 

So give me a list of all the super heavyweights who have done better than Wladimir Klitschko at age 39. I'll wait!

 

Fury always finds a way......... facts !

 

I think Fury's length will be Usyk's biggest obstacle.

 

If Fury comes in 270 like he has been lately, he ain't doing no damn pull counters. Certainly not on a Scrappy slippery guy like usyk who never stops moving. Fury would be too heavy and ponderous.

 

It’s hard to say a really great fighter is overrated but I can’t think of any fighter in recent memory more overrated than Usyk (as a HW). Some folks in a for a rude awakening, Usyk gets wrecked.

 

Pointless speculation, boxing can be straightforward guys:

Usyk had near enough every advantage over AJ except size and power, Usyk is psychologically tougher, leagues more skilled, far better gas tank, far more heart etc than AJ.

All those things are debatable v Fury.

Fury has an even greater size advantage over Usyk than AJ did but Fury is similarly skilled (unclear who is more skilled imo), has enormous heart and is psychologically very strong (it's close but I'd give the edge to Fury), Fury has a great gas tank (close again but I'd give it to Usyk).

I would really like to see Usyk beat Fury and if he did, for me he is THE goat, but I can't realistically see it, it's wishful thinking to think that because Fury may or may not be able to effectively lean on Usyk that will make all the difference and Usyk will therefore be able to box circles round Fury.

Factors like this and other similar lines of speculation are just too in the margins to be used for reasonable predictions the key factors in Boxing are known and simple:

1) Size and power
2) Skill
3) Speed
4) Psychology/ heart
5) Gas tank
Optional extra 6) Are they a Southpaw?

How many of these factors do you feel Usyk has a decisive advantage on?