Maybe it's time to rethink Wilder

I think its hard to tell the difference sometimes between heart and stupidity, but i think what wilder showed was more stupidity.

Heart is usually shown when you are in a competitive fight but the chips are down and you battle on.
Wanting to staying in a fight for a number of rounds where your getting battered,just taking punishment and have no chance of winning is just stupidity.

 

Hmm, although I see your point but I do believe that certain fighters need saving from themselves - Wilder is one of them.

Was it stupidity for him to want to carry on? I don't think so, when you're in the ropes and your blood is up, you always think you have a chance - no matter how desperate the situation is. And with Wilder's power, he really can turn any fight around in the blink of an eye - everyone knows it, him included.

 

His legs were gone at that stage, he had no power then.what ever he was hitting first with he didn't feel any of it, he was getting rag dolled.
I agree fighters need saving from themselves but wilders stupidity meant he got rid of anyone who would save him.

 

im very wary of glorifying fighters taking needless beatings .
There are warriors who deserve praise but i wont praise the needless beatings wilder has taken and wanted to take

 

In that, I 100% agree with you.

Interesting point - it's not good for up and coming young fighters who idolise these fighters to see them take senseless beatings. They may start to think it's good to put glory first, before health.

 

I understand what you're saying but in the third fight we saw Wilder on the floor in round 3, he looked done then, I was sure the next round would be his last..

Then he drops Fury twice and Fury looked in some trouble.

And that's the danger of Wilder, that's why I believe he hangs in there mentally, because he knows he normally only needs to land a right hand to end it.

He really does have that equaliser, that eraser and it gives him that reason to just hang in there.

The stupidity was insisting the corner didn't stop it no matter what happens, that was insanity, his corner are there for a reason and he basically tied their arms behind their backs.

That said, I do question the referee and ringside Dr in that fight also, at what point does the referee or Dr say enough is enough?

 

GTFO.

In the ring against Fury, willingness to take punishment, sure up to a point...

In general? His resume says otherwise.

 

Exactly... If you can still come back and win (Benn taking an early beating and enduring to come back against McClellan, for example) that's one thing, but Wilder could only win by power and it was rapidly deserting him after the KD's at very least - he was never winning that fight and taking that beating was senseless.

 

You don't understand, Worst Fury beat best Wilder in the third fight.

Second fight was different, Fury was in top shape.

 

I agree, the coming back after round3 was great but by round 5-6 he was really really spent and from then on took a lot of needless punishment. Once his legs were gone it was time to take him out of there

 

Wilder gets a lot of criticism, but apart from Fury and Usyk, if I was manager of any top 10 heavyweight, I'd be very concerned about matching them with him. More so now, since Fury has battered him, the reward to reputation for beating him might be slighter.
I mean, I wouldn't want to put AJ in with him, let alone something like Whyte.
AJ could beat him, certainly, but the risk of a career-ending defeat would be heavy too.
Whyte, forget about it.

 

Yeah I agree, like I said.. he looked done to me after 3, even if he was pulled out then... hmm maybe premature but he looked shattered and didn't look like he recovered when he came out for the 4th.

But yeah once it went past halfway it was just a beating, Wilder didn't look like he had anything left and that's why I think the referee or Dr should have stepped in knowing the corner wasn't going to.

 

While wilder doesn't have direct control over the referee and doctor, the conspiracy theories and blame her was throwing around after the second fight definitely influenced them
Bayless wasnt spared criticism.

If the doctor or ref has stopped it in the 6th or 7th wilder and his fanboys would be calling it corrupt.
Again i think they were happy to leave the fight go to its natural conclusion even if it meant wilder took too much out punishment. They were kinda in a damned if you do ,potentially damned if you don't (wilder dies or suffers severe brain damage)

 

Wilder showed heart, yes. Was he ever beating Fury ? No.
It’s only the fact he has a big right (however crude it is), that he probably wasn’t pulled out again.
He will be allowed to take a tremendous & dangerous level of punishment because of this…………and that cannot be good.