Maybe it's time to rethink Wilder

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  1. gmurphy

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    That would be Great to see
     
  2. Dementia Pugulistica

    Dementia Pugulistica Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think Fury wrecked Wilder in the second fight. There's now a big off switch on the dented side of Deontays head. Deontay can still take a good shot on the chin as demonstrated at the end of the first round of the third fight, but hit him on the temple area and he's fooked! If the second fight had gone on 'till round eleven or twelve Deontay would have suffered even more permanent physical damage.
     
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  3. BCS8

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    Worst Fury was the one in the first fight, straight off the fat farm
     
  4. kirk

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    I'm interested in seeing how many decent wins you think Fury has :lol:
     
  5. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah its time to reevaluate Wilder . His is an overrated puncher. He is too basic to deliver his power. His chin and stamina are garbage. He is very tired after 3 rounds. He is not a top fighter.
     
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  6. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    He was hurt not tired. A tired fighter cant drop Fury twice.
     
  7. I Dont Play With Dolls

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    Fury's resume too isnt great but far better than Wilder's imo.

    In Championship fights he has 4 decent wins:
    Klitschko
    Wilder 1( if you count it for what it was, a win)
    Wilder 2
    Wilder 3

    In fights on a contender level, these are decent wins:
    Wallin
    Cunningham
    Chisora 1
    Chisora 2

    Wilder had no decent names on his record while fighting as a contender. Literally Audley Harrison is his best win as a contender.

    And no names you would brag about defending your belt against.
     
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  8. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    IMHO, Wilder has now reached the stage in his career where it is Potentially HIGH Risk and Potentially LOW Reward to fight him. Often, when this happens to a slugger, they get stuck fighting mostly lower tier fighters...if they fight on.
     
  9. lobk

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    When wilder started wobbling on shaky legs all over the ring , his chance of a ko was gone. He can’t throw that power shot without his legs under him. Look at rnd 8 of the fight at the 1:57 mark. Wilder threw and landed a straight right but nothing. No power. At that point he was done. He didn’t even have a punchers chance anymore
     
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  10. kirk

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    How can you call Wilder, I quote ; "a total fraud..." and then turn around and list him as a decent win for beating him 3 times lol.

    I'll never understand that. People will post paragraphs and paragraphs disparaging Wilder, talking how he's beaten absolutely nobody, almost totally unproven, calling him a terrible fraud, bum... then turn around and try decorating Furys resume up by listing 'well he beat Wilder three times'.

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    And while I understand you're trying to weigh the wins based on contexts... but that's not how resumes work. If Ortiz isn't considered a decent win for Wilder then Cunningham and Wallin damn sure aren't decent wins either.

    Ortiz would smack Cunningham around the ring and eat his lunch. Saying he's a decent win for Fury but Ortiz isn't for Wilder because of the contexts of one was a contender fight and one was a title fight seems disingenuous mental gymnastics... somewhat akin to making Wilder out to be a fraud and also listing him as a decent win.
     
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  11. I Dont Play With Dolls

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    What else would you call it?(other than fraud)
    Wilder took the belt and never acted like a champion, yet held it hostage for many years, calling himself champion while reaping the rewards.

    End of the day he's still a decent win based on H2H, similar to a Povetkin but with way more hype to his name. But he deserves very little credit for his resume.

    About the context, maybe it is mental gymnastics, but the way I see it, there are levels to the sport. As a contender Ortiz would be a good win, so would Cunningham, as a champion beating Ortiz or Cunningham is nothing special.
    When you become A side, like Wilder did after he got the WBC strap, you gain many unspoken advantages which make the fights easier/ less risky. WilderFury1 is a perfect example.

    But ok forget about the contender thing. Fury still has 2 good names 3 wins(depends how you see it, could be 4) on his resume, while Wilder has 0.
     
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  12. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, if you don't punch him and don't make him work I'm pretty sure he can last 12 rounds. However, when someone puts pressure on him he is gone very soon.
     
  13. kirk

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    I hear you.

    While we do disagree I appreciate your explanation and level headed reasoning.

    Thanks for your perspective.
     
  14. vast

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    Wilder was out to prove a point in the third fight, to try and discredit Brelands actions in the second fight.

    He learned nothing new from the second fight aside from his short-lived attempt to throw body punches in the first round of the third fight.

    He wamted to go out on his shield and did so, taking a brutal beating in the process. It will be interesting to see how he looks if he fights again. He took a lot of unnecessary punishment.
     
  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You honestly rate Audley Harrison above Sergei Liakhovich? You're a troll.

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