Otto Automatik Ballin' Wallin Demands Proof of Dillian Whyte's Shoulder Injury...

To be fair I thought you made a good post.

I do however reserve the inalienable right to respond in a juvenile fashion with a pithy one liner.

The defence rests.

 

It would have became a final eliminator if wilder won't lol

 

Interesting Fury v Whyte with Whyte being a mandatory,will Hearn agree to it if Fury demands a rematch clause like the one Usyk was made to agree to so he could get the Joshua fight

 

I think they are after the belt, so I suspect that might back fire if Fury tries that.
It would be funny though, as that was utter bullshart from Hearn and Joshua

 

I did read the link, and I’ve seen that link at the time UKAD made the announcement. It clearly states that “the amount found in his system is consistent with contamination”. That’s why, he got a pass because the amount is low. But we don’t know how he got contaminated. Other fighters who got away with the contamination excuse were at least bothered to explain how, and most of them didn’t pop for traces of an anabolic steroid like Wyhte did.

And It clearly states in the link I skipped over that the negative VADA test was condacted 3 days before the positive UKAD test. So the claim that he was also tested by VADA the day he was busted by UKAD is simply false.

Also, It’s obvious that the invesgation about the positive test was ran after the fight. Which means, Whyte was allowed to walk into the Rivas fight with a positive drug test with the traces of an anabolic steroid without being investigated, without his opponent being made aware. So excuse me for questioning UKAD’s reliability.

 

UKAD have a different procedure to VADA. VADA will contact a opponent and the boxing orgs when the positive result comes in. UKAD runs an investigation, lets the fighter defend themselves, then will ban a fighter accordingly.

Now we can suggest UKAD is corrupt, and question their reliability. But that undermines any complaint against Whyte. For example, if UKAD is corrupt shouldn't we question why the failed test was leaked to Hauser, and why they were still clearing the fight the day of? If I was to take a conspiratorial view, I'd say it It almost sounds like a shake down.

And if they are unreliable, then maybe we should make judgements based on VADA.
It seems silly to just pick and choose the outcomes you like from an unreliable report, after all. For example, Dan Rafael reported a collection date of 17th June for the UKAD sample.

Maybe UKAD are covering their ass. Maybe Whyte didn't explain himself, because the fault was on UKADs side. That was pretty much his explanation, anyway. Or maybe Whyte took a microdose in the middle the testing window and got caught.

Or we can say UKAD followed their procedure, and accept the findings of their report. After all Whyte was cleared by VADA who is the testing agency specifically used by WBC and who apparently have a good reputation in America.

Maybe that's why the WBC has a track record for ignoring UKAD and putting their faith in VADA. Which makes it even stranger that they suspended Whyte based on a UKAD rumour, don't you think?

Anyway, it sounds like you are not happy with UKAD. How do you feel about VADA?

 

So you mean like how Fury was allowed to fight Wladamir after failing a PED test by UKAD?

 

I think he had covid and looked like he shouldn't be anywhere near a boxing ring, but it's weird to see Povetkin held up as someone who did things the right way when there were certainly issues over the years.

 

He was not cleared by VADA, because VADA don’t clear people. They just test and report the result.

There are like dozen maybes in your post, which is exactly why the situation shady. As stated, VADA tested him 3 days before the positive UKAD, do we know when the next test after the positive test was? Do we know how often each agency condacted test? Do we know if each agency condacted both blood and urine testing, or one did the blood testing and the other did urine testing? Do we even know how Whyte supposedly got contaminated? Like where do you get a drink contaminated with a ****ing anabolic steroid? We never got any answers, never even heard Whyte openly say that he never did anything wrong or never taken any illegal substance, just that he was “cleared”. They just hid behind “confidentiality” from all of that. The only thing we know for sure is that Whyte popped for the traces of an anabolic steroid and was given a pass. The way I see it, the only stupidity here is buying everything thrown without knowing all the details.

And you’re probably trying to turn this into some garbage about Wilder, but WBC has nothing to do with this.

 

Yes. The fact that a positive test by Fury from the Christian Hammer fight was kept quiet and he was allowed to take the Wladimir fight further shows you the unreliability of UKAD.

 

Think you are playing with semantics there; as it is, VADA are/were the testing body that WBC use, are they not?

I agree there are a lot of maybes regarding this case, but that is also reflected in your claims. But, I'm curious, how much information about their protocols you expect a testing agency to make public? You seem to expect full transparency. I think that will be hard to ever get from a testing body. But you could try...

As for the WBC and believing what I am told. What I believe is that the testing agencies have seemingly involved themselves in a very murky game of politics.

Should Whyte be punished? If he was indeed found to be in violation; yes I believe he should. However, some consistency from the WBC is all I ask for, not only punishing fighters when it pleases them.
And again trying to ban Whyte based on a rumour is a nonsense, when they have openly ignored a UKAD ban when it didn't align with their interests. What part of that can be described as justice?

But if you want answers, you could try for a freedom of information request:
https://www.ukad.org.uk/freedom-information-requests
Might be your only option if you don't accept their findings as published.

 

The problem with UKAD is they are not transparent in how they work. For example we only found out Fury was suspended before the Wlad rematch because of a leak which revealed Fury had been suspended for ages and had lied to everyone about the possibility of a Wlad rematch happening in the UK which clearly was never going to happen.

Fury might have very well been suspended after the Hammer positive test but we wouldn't be told officially until the whole investigation process had completed. The first fight with Wlad was in Germany where UKAD has no jurisdiction so even if Fury was secretly suspended he still could have taken the fight and UKAD couldn't of done anything to prevent it.

This is obviously problematic as it's seen British fighters possibly suspended in the UK still able to fight while using PED's overseas while we wait for UKAD to complete it's investigation. Personally I dislike UKAD's lack of transparency, while I understand the reasons for what they do, in boxing allowing a doped up fighter to fight another should override any aspects of personally privacy.

 

I understand what you are getting at, but Fury was banned from June 2016. So the judgement came after Fury v Klitschko 1. So until the investigation was complete he was still technically innocent.
I guess it could be argued that as soon as an investigation starts, the boxer in question should be placed under a provisional ban, but given that UKAD takes a year to conduct their investigation, it would mean a potentially innocent boxer losing a year of their career, in what is already a limited number of years that they have. Difficult to implement given UKADs finite resources.

But maybe that is the price of justice, that some innocents will have to pay a heavy price to protect others from dirty athletes.

 

When It is revealed that a fighter tested positive for the traces of an anabolic steroid, that his opponent stepped in the ring with him without being aware of this, you bet I expect transparency. I’m still very much curious where you can get a drink or a meal that’s tainted with an anabolic steroid.

If you think since WBC cooperate with VADA, test should ignore the results of other agencies that’s you’re prerogative.

 

The Fury/Wlad situation is the main reason why I think UKAD sucks. Fury could’ve popped for several steroids against Hammer, so serious that It’d require years of suspension, he’d still have been allowed to face Wlad because of the idiotic policies of UKAD.

When a fighter is under an investigation for a positive drug test,(especially for an anabolic steroid) they shouldn’t be sanctioned to fight, period.