Who ranks higher as a heavyweight, Joe Frazier or Mike Tyson?

Bruno and Seldon were champions. Tyson also beat Green, Tillis, Ribalta, Marvis Frazier and Ratliff, who deserve inclusion over Ettienne and Nielsen.

 

Bruno and Seldon might have been titlists, but their number of Ring-Rated wins probably can't be combined to match that of even Chuvalo.

Frazier was beating Ring-Rated Bonavena in his 12th pro bout; Machen in his 13th; Jones in his 14th and Ring-Rated Chuvalo in his 17th pro bout. I think this is a better run of outings than Tyson's Green, Tillis, Ribalta and M. Frazier.

 

You left out names for Tyson. What about Tucker, Thomas, Spinks, and Carl Williams ratings? Smith? Berbick? They are notable wins and many are highly rated. A omitted argument is not argument at all. Frazier didn't have a lot of total fights.

 

You left out your understanding the context of the post.

Try following the thread of the discussion.

 

You leave out many of Tyson best wins in the 80's, but talk about Frazier bets wins including pre tittle wins. Fair is fair.

 

It seems that a fairly obvious hint, as to where you are going wrong in this discussion and why your comments are misplaced, is not enough.

If you can't be bothered to follow the thread of the discussion then just don't bother replying.

 

They’re listed already and worse than Ruddock. I pointed out who wasn’t listed.

 

And I was explaining why the inclusion of your suggestions seems surplus to requirements. They're not in the ballpark.

You are just throwing names into the hat for sake of it.

 

No, it isn't. You tried to cherry pick Tyson's resume to look less impressive, such as failing to mention which guys were champions and not listing quality wins like Marvis Frazier, who btw beat Bonecrusher and is rumored to be the son of Joe.

You will not be outsmarting this cat.

 

Oh dear - another half-wit, trying to score points, based on being too lazy and/or unable to follow the thread of the discussion.

Had you followed the thread of the discussion, you would have realized that there was a good reason why I wasn't mentioning guys like Marvis Frazier.

That Bruno and Seldon were titlists was not material to the comparison being made. But you wouldn't know this, due to you having completely missed the point, because you were either too lazy or too simple-minded to understand the context of the post.

Outsmarting you requires very little effort - zero-effort, in fact. You somehow manage to fool yourself with remarkable regularity, spending the majority of your time chasing your own tail.

Thanks for demonstrating, once again, that you are the dumbest cat in the neighborhood.

 

You have a " unique way " way of arguing. Refusing to examine the data when it does suit you, instead you take things out of context unfairly and focus on the other guy acting like an erudite. There is little to be learned here. Try fair comparison instead of mishap. Educate others on what they don't know.

 

Unique, only to you, because you cannot comprehend that the focus was on two lists provided by @ironchamp , which referred to: "Outside their Reign other Notable victories:"

No. Examining particular subsets of data, as laid out by another poster, which are worth a closer comparison, is not refusing to examine data.

You are painfully stupid, Mendoza.

Do you not recall:

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You should remember, since I posted these exact same words to you the last time you made the mistake. This was last year, not long before you were banned from the forum.

So I have, at least, re-educated you on what you should already know by now. It seems, however, that you are incapable of learning. This does not bode well.


Good Day.

 

Not really though. They were insurance polices for Don King. No matter how bad post prison Tyson was he could be a champion. He didn't even have to hit Seldon, and Bruno was crossing himself during his entire ringwalk. That was all hype by that point.

 

Bruno had a bit more credibility but...GAD, that isn't saying much, is it?

 

If I had to pick I'd give it to Frazier ... Again this is if I had to pick ... Mike's career was more messy ... As a boxer Mike Tyson is superior and H2H he is higher than Frazier and I'd favor him to stop Frazier in an actual bout ....

But Frazier's win over Ali in the FOTC makes the difference in Frazier's favor ....