Where do people get the idea that Patterson can box?

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  1. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Even if Bonavena was shopworn by then, Lyle is still clearly the better fighter all round, it is evident, he was the better boxer, not saying he was amazing, but he had a decent amateur career and he could clearly punch
     
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    Irrelevant and both looked like they came in off the street. Three hurrahs to the heavyweights!

    My point is Floyd Patterson rips Rons throat out road house style and eats it in front of him before he
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    He had been brutally KO'd 3 times and also taken a bad beating from Ali. Add back problems to that. He had very good longevity, but he was past his best when he bested Quarry and also Ellis imo.

    Quarry was slightly bigger, but there wasn't much in it. And another opponent Floyd did better against was Chuvalo. Guess which one of them Chuvalo KO'd? Hint, it wasn't Floyd.

    Hell, in his lat fight he did better against Ali than Quarry did that same year. He was a better fighter than Quarry. Period.

    Does that mean he'd for sure do better, or even as well, against Lyle? No, one can never say those things for sure. But Lyle wouldn't be the best Floyd beat while Floyd would be the best Lyle beat.
     
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  4. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ron Lyle was naturally like 215lbs and Patterson was naturally around 180lbs, Lyle wold not have to go looking for him, you seen Frazier vs Foreman and you seen Liston vs Patterson, and silly example, but you probably seen Barrett vs Valuev, the much smaller man taking it to the much bigger man never usually ends well
     
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    (Edit shouldn't call you dumb I am sorry)

    Ever seen Tyson vs anyone?

    Ever seen Marciano vs anyone?

    How bout Qawi?

    Smokin Joe maybe?
     
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    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I mean when they are at the same level and Qawi fought at the same weight as his opponents, when I meant is when someone is 3 or more inches shorter than their opponent and is much lighter and their gameplan is to take it to the larger man, and the larger man is a similar level knows how to use his size, it doesn't usually end well, that is the long version of what I was trying to say
     
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    The advantage of height goes both ways.
     
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    I see no reason to call Lyle better than Bonavena.
     
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    Not to get too hung up in weight, but the best definition of Patterson's must be his weight when he was fully mature in his mid 20's. That was around 190-195 lbs.
     
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