Matt Skelton v Dillian Whyte

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  1. Unforgiven

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    Why are those magazine ratings treated like holy scripture?

    Ratings do not decide head to head encounters.
     
  2. McGrain

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    They certainly aren't that!

    It's just that they give some idea of what most fighters were up to at a given time. A sort of handy thumbnail.

    That Skelton was never able to beat one - and only managed to be thrashed by either one or two so low was the level he was matched at - probably does matter though.

    They sure don't.

    But it's fair to say that anyone picking Skelton is picking a fighter that was never even tested by ancient, disease-ridden Povetkin level fighters :lol: And who failed tests at a far, far lower level. Like you say, that doesn't mean he can't win, but it does help underline that Skelton was very much a commonwealth level fighter (hard to justify European level given that he managed just one defence of even that title).
     
  3. McGrain

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    Even if they shared an era, Skelton probably wouldn't be matched with Whyte. Unless it was on the way up (when anything could admittedly happen). Skelton just didn't fight ranked contenders. Whether because he didn't want to, or because they didn't want to fight him, he just didn't fight top five guys.

    Ever.

    Too many levels below.
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    Povetkin's level at 41 years old in his last fight is an unknown really.
     
  5. janitor

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    I think that Whyte is a level or two above Skelton, and so is Chisorah.
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    He fought Chagaev.
     
  7. McGrain

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    I think that's the best answer someone in your position could give, really :lol:

    If he was fighting the version of these men:
    John McDermott
    Danny Williams
    Michael Sprott
    Paulo Vidoz
    Tom Dallas

    That Skelton fought, odds on them would be rather long. After all, if you literally added up the legacy of every fighter Skelton ever beat it probably wouldn't equal Povetkin's. Whyte is just irrefutably a much, much, much, much, much, much, much more accomplished fighter, even if every single negative thing you've said in this thread about his opposition is true, which it probably isn't.
     
  8. McGrain

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    He did get battered by Chagaev, that is true. You could reasonably sub Whyte for Chagaev in that timeframe, so that's a fair point.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Povetkin was likely pretty much shot in both those fights and I think we all know that.
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    Whyte is not Chagaev.
     
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    I would also point out that everything is still on the table with Whyte.

    My guess is that he won't beat one of the men currently ranked above him, but if he does then his stock would go up accordingly.
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    No. Skelton was British, European and Commonwealth champion and fell short at world level.
    Whyte is similar but beat a couple of ranked fighters, one very very old.
     
  13. McGrain

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    No, they're different men but Whyte is ranked in the same spot Chagaev was when he met Skelton.

    So they are directly interchangeable in terms of fistic status relative to their own times.

    And had similar standings at the time the match would be made.

    Except that Whyte has considerably more drawing power.
     
  14. Man_Machine

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    ...Just proven to be better than Skelton. Observable both on paper and on film.


    Anything is possible, but it's not likely.

    What's the excuse for Williams being run close by a petrified Harrison in their dire first fight then? Some reckon Audley actually won that bout, as well.

    Was that one taken on short notice, too?


    Yet, Povetkin's draw against Hunter is still better than anything on Skelton's ledger.

    There's also a certain irony in you bleating about Povetkin's age when 'peak' Skelton (the version, who met Williams twice) was 39 years old, with only 4 years pro boxing experience under his belt, and had neither the pedigree nor anything like the proven record of Povetkin.

    And just what does it say about "still decent" Williams (your words), when he loses to a C-Level guy Like that?


    You’re entitled to your opinion. It is just not supported by evidence and isn't realistic.
     
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  15. janitor

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    In Skelton's era there was no British fighter much above Commonwealth level, and the British title changed hands a lot.

    The real belts changed hands a lot, but none of the British talent was in any danger of getting them.

    There are a number of legitimate interpretations of Whyte, but he is at least world class.

    His #4 Ring Magazine Ranking is correct, or at worst very marginally wrong.

    If he is really on the level of Skelton, then everybody wanting to jump the que, should be beating a path to his door.

    Every belt holder should be courting him, as a challenger that looks good on paper, but will be disposed of easily.