Canelo vs Calzaghe at 168

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  1. First Round KO

    First Round KO Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes.
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Completely unrealistic.
     
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  3. Dannymita

    Dannymita Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bhop number 1 light heavy at the time?
     
  4. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Personally I was very wrong about Canelo. I used to debate with Mrkoolkevin about him, but I was wrong. Canelo is a great fighter. But, so is Calzaghe. I don't like either one personally so my judgment isn't biased. I honestly believe JC is better at 168 and would win a convincing decision as Cal is all wrong for Canelo
     
  5. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    gotta disagree with you there.
    avoiding the US during jones' and hopkins' prime (one division above and one below him),and therefore having kessler as the best prime fighter calzaghe ever fought, doesn't make him "great" or even close in my book.

    great SMW sure, but you can't be a great fighter by consciously avoiding the best fighters of your era when it mattered the most.
     
  6. Dannymita

    Dannymita Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You know Hopkins dodged calzaghe right?
     
  7. granth

    granth Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joe was very injury prone and had glass hands which scuppered several fights. I don't believe he deliberately or consciously wanted to avoid the US. And as you say, Jones and Hopkins were different divisions and Joe was a very natural 168. He only really moved up to fight Hopkins because there was nothing doing at SMW. Also, I know that in hindsight everyone thinks Lacy was overrated, but at the time literally everyone had him down as a SMW Tyson who was going to destroy Calzaghe. Joe nearly pulled out of that fight due to injury - he had to have injections in his hands and his dad convinced him that if he pulled out, he'd get no more big fights. I honestly think that Calzaghe was great - he could find out the level and style of his opponent on the fly - he famously did next to no sparring - which is a difficult thing to do unless you are a top level fighter.
     
  8. Kow Hardzaghe

    Kow Hardzaghe New Member banned Full Member

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    Then how come he didnt ever get glass hands when lining up the replacement bum after he had turned down a good fighter?
    Must have done that about 15 times in his reign.


    Joey Calzaghe actually claimed, quite deliberately and consciously, that he was afraid of flying.

    Luckily he got cured of his ailment when the best in the USA were old fogies getting beat regularly. Or whenever he was flying his family to the Maldives for decades, which he tried not to mention.
     
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  9. Kow Hardzaghe

    Kow Hardzaghe New Member banned Full Member

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    above him were the champs erdei, tarver, diaconu, with pascal and dawson also above hopkins by then.
     
  10. Dannymita

    Dannymita Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Were they **** lol

    Hopkins dethroned tarver who was number one at the weight after flattening Roy

    Pascal was at supermiddle
     
  11. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joe would be too much activity and work rate for Canelo who gasses as a fight goes on and the pace joe would set would be way too much for canelo to keep up. I’d go with Joe by way of UD
     
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  12. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe would absolutely school Canelo. No part of this fight would be competitive
     
  13. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    allowing frank warren to run his career had everything to with with it, and calzaghe consciously allowed this to happen.
    warren was notorious for getting his fighters 'a belt', and that's usually where their careers started to regress, because being a 'world champion' and having a great record (against anyone) was a guaranteed money maker with minimal risks, so long as they stayed away from the US (just ask the germans, it was their blueprint).

    ricky hatton left warren, went to the US, and fought prime floyd and pac.
    amir khan left warren, went to the US, and fought prime canelo.

    calzaghe was better than both of them, and only fought jones and hopkins when they were dethroned and past prime.
    what did he do that made these fights happen?
    he left frank warren and went to the US.

    remember floyd mayweather also had a career plagued by broken hands, and his reaction to this was to change the way he fought as he moved up the weights and fought bigger men, beating them all.
     
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  14. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    that's like saying roy jones dodged darius michaelewski because he put that ad in a newspaper.
    if you don't become established in the US, the casual fan stateside doesn't know who you are, you don't garner the interest of the networks, and fights don't get made.
    calzaghe was high risk, low reward, and you can't blame the guy who was the bigger name and established on the biggest stage of all.
     
  15. Dannymita

    Dannymita Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins accepted the fight...then days after doubled his purse demand
     
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