Matt Skelton v Dillian Whyte

No, you're missing the point.

It's true that Ruiz was better than "not ranked". But then he proved it. Now he is ranked.

Skelton never proved a hundredth of that. He just couldn't do it. Because he wans't good enough.

 

Right, so you were dramatically wrong about Fury, very wrong about Usyk, and are less wrong but still wrong about Whyte.

People aren't saying Whyte is great. People aren't saying Whyte is special. People aren't even saying Whyte will get a belt. People are just saying he's not as bad as you are making out.

There are no extreme opinions in this thread about Whyte except yours.

 

I'm certainly not saying no because Ring ratings. I'm saying no because Skelton wasn't very good and Whyte is better than that. Hope that's out the way now.

The reason we're still discussing rankings is you are saying they are worthless - and i'm saying that's a bit silly.

 

Yeah, it is extreme.

Almost every serious boxing person I read or know thinks of Whyte as a decent contender. Nobody I take seriously thinks he is special or anything, but this "British level Whyte" is purely a forum manifestation and it is rare even here. Couple of guys entrenched in undermining AJ's resume in GF and that one other guy from this thread, that's it. Very extreme opinion.

That's wrong though.

Dilllian has been in hard fights, with good fighters but he convinced me. If you're a come-forwards slugger you're going to get hit and when you're operating at world level you're going to get hurt. Can you handle it, is the proper question.

Chisora would batter Skelton. Skelton wasn't very good. So would Whyte. Both have demonstrated their abilities fully against much better opposition than Skelton defeated. Skelton was beaten by every good fighter he ever fought, with no exceptions.

McDermott thrashed him, AJ thrashed him, Price thrashed him, Pulev thrashed him, Rogan thrashed him, Pianeta thrashed him, Chagaev thrashed him, Sprott beat him, Williams beat him. Whyte would thrash him too.

 

This is untrue. I listed all his loses, including those to Chagaev and Williams and Rogan within the frame of his prime. So the above is inaccurate and unfair.

Maybe Chagaev thrashed him out of his prime, but the best single win he has where he wasn't also beaten by the opponent came after Chagaev so it seems odd to want to include some but not others given the way his career panned out. But in summary:

- every good fighter he ever faced battered him or beat him except for maybe Sam victim Vidoz, if you want to count him as "good".
- he was never ranked
- he never beat a fighter who was ranked
- he was matched with ONE ranked fighter and was badly beaten

He is not even a gatekeeper. Fighters who beat him never advanced. In the case of Chagaev, it was seen as a joke defence and actually set him back a bit. Skelton is sub-gatekeeper level and if had defeated a fighter like old-Povetkin - of which there is literally zero proof that he would be capable - it would have been his best win by some distance.

Technically he was atrocious and he was slow.

There are more than several. There are dozens. But they are as I described.

Very extreme opinion.

 

By scoring victories over other ranked fighters, or formerly ranked fighters, or over gatekeeper types.

The same way every single fighter has ever earned a ranking in all of history.

Unless you are talking about ranking organisations that provide a rankings service for money, in which case, by paying money.