Is George Foreman a pure arm puncher?

Thank you. This is almost the same thing I wrote in my thread.

Even on the rare occasions when he gets some hip rotations he's very stiff. He does not always put his body weight into his shots. That's pretty obvious if you watch the Cooney knockdowns. Foreman is literally flat footed and swinging his arms.

I took karate and boxing. Both disciplines emphasize turning the hips and rotating pushing off your rear leg to get an explosive snap and follow through.

He does have some fights where he gets full swings and unloads on people on the ropes like Norton. Even then he isn't transferring all his weight and mostly getting a powerful arm swing and connecting on the jaw.

 

So it's possible to throw a hook standing up straight and not turning your hips at all? Is this what you thought I meant?

 

It's a relative thing, IMO. I don't think it's possible to punch completely with your arm and nothing else. You would fall over if your hips, core, etc. weren't engaged to some extent.

That said, I'm less concerned with finding the one true definition of arm punching than with describing what Foreman did. The summary I gave above is basically what I think Foreman did. I was curious whether either of you gentlemen found it an accurate description.

 

I'm done arguing with you.

I never said he doesn't ever use his hips. It's biologically impossible to throw a hook without moving your hips. This is so incredibly obvious and understood I didn't think I needed to even go there.

What I did say is that he obviously didn't always get all his body weight into his punches.

Did he get a lot of body weight into the Cooney knockdowns yes or no?

What about the Lyle knockout? Yes or no?

 

Completely agree with your take.

Of course he will say I'm bAcKpEdAlInG even though I literally never said he never used his hips.

 

When did I change my definition?

I asked you 5x to tell me when I said arm punchers never use their hips. That is what you accused me of saying. So produce a quote or admit you're a liar.

 

Okay, yeah. I think I get you. You're more or less adding a time element, saying that the elements of the kinetic chain (feet --> hips --> core --> arms) have to be activated in the right sequence. Or perhaps simultaneously. But not in reverse order. And you are defining anyone who activates that sequence in reverse order to be an arm puncher.

That's more complicated that your version, but is that basically it?

 

I just want to point out for public record that Journeyman accused me of saying Foreman never used his hips when he punched.

If someone can provide a direct quote from me saying this that'd be great.

If it can't be done then he's obviously putting words in my mouth and is a liar.