Evander Holyfield vs Joe Louis

With poor footwork, he wouldn't be able to land these punches. He cut off the ring extremely well and his footwork allowed him to put a constant pressure on opponents.

If his defense is weak and his chin is nothing special, then how could he remain at the very top for over decade without any stoppage? "Poor competition" - right? It's very easy to explain the world with so few variables - isn't it?

 

Yes, poor competition and overall a weak era.

 

the whole era was trash well except jersey and even him he was outdated and unpolished compared

 

It's easy to say that, but it doesn't make it true.

 

That young Foreman, like Earnie Shavers, did not punch correctly. They swung their big, heavy arms really hard, instead of punching from the floor up.

 

It is true, my eyes tell me all I need to know.

 

You are very confident in your talent evaluation. Do you work as a trainer or scout? Or maybe you are professional gambler?

 

Great shout fella.

Louis is my all time favourite fighter.

Holyfield whilst i admire his heart bravery and willingness to engage in a fight, i just believe Joe would be too clever for him....

As Billy Conn once said, i was doing OK until the smart guy in me thought i could knock him out!!

 

Interesting.

So you assert that Foreman did not punch up from the floor, and did not use his hips properly, he did a lot of arm punching?

 

Joe Louis under the stern eye of Jack Blackburn the two of them developed probably the best lefthand in boxing history. The jab was quick and powerful Joe was always looking for a chance to hook off of it especially early in a fight when he could deadpan no emotion or expression turn and put his robe on.
To watch his fights now on video one thing that is unique is Joe's disipline. In the ring he was disciplined, always composed, poised. How often did you see Louis throw a wild punch? How often did he miss by a large margin? Why not? He wouldn't throw a punch unless he was already there.

 

Anyone can see George stepping into most of his power punches. He only went with the arms more when off balance, tired (like quite a few other fighters do).

It amuses me to no end when I see people calling guys like Foreman and Cooney arm punchers. Cooney punched with his arm a lot when throwing rights (as a converted southpaw), but his hook, jab, and uppercut had his weight behind them. Anyone can see that.

Want to see arm punching? Watch quite a few of Ali's fights. He used them in a good way though, in order to blind and confuse his opponent, then sitting down into his punches once the other guy was hurt.

Sometimes I wonder if a lot of people don't really know what "arm punching" really is. Anytime you see both the hip and shoulder being rotated you're seeing less of an "arm punch". The ultimate extreme is stepping into the punch with the whole side of your body, which both Shavers and Foreman did far more of than they EVER arm punched.

 

If Holyfield boxes him and uses his feet, he would probably stop him late on, Louis could not deal with movement and was smaller than Holyfield

 

What mover beat Louis in his career?

 

Having text book delivery of a punch in the heat of battle is the ultimate demonstration of skill. It's easy to look good or "textbook" in a gym hitting a punching bag. ( I do it all the time at 57yrs old, younger guys are shocked by it. Not me because the bag ain't moving or hitting back)
But to be able to counter a left jab with a textbook right hand,or to counter a missed right hand with a textbook left hook in less than a second , to have perfect leverage, shoulder placement, hip torque, accuracy ON A MOVING target, that's trying to do the same to you is the ULTIMATE demonstration of better skills.
Louis's foot speed wasn't great, and that's a good point from you. Your point about his chin is understandable when one considers his multiple knock downs.
But to say textbook delivery doesn't mean he's more skilled. Again makes me question your actual knowledge of the sport. It suggest to me what you know is merely superficial.

 

Charles beat him with movement, I know that wasn't his prime, but he also struggled with Conn a 175lbder and he could probably make 160 today, also Walcott clearly beat him and got robbed