Evander Holyfield vs Joe Louis

Guess I thought wrong about you Grey. I have always believed with every fibre in my body that you cannot generate power, punching from the top down and that making the hips move the shoulders wasn't effective at all let alone generating Shavers like power.

 

why would it be late how could louis make it a tough match when he stuggled with the trash he did holy beats him fast

 

Taking Louis here

Holyfield had been hurt many times in the past ... Louis would be the one to finish him

 

Very possible, it's hard to imagine the more modern fighters against ones from the 40s, but I strongly believe the modern fighters hold the advantage, modern technique and training methods, boxing evolved for a reason and for the better, I could see Holyfield beating him early as well

 

name the person who beat holy who moved like a snail like Louis moved and who had bad defense at the same time

cause if we have nobody beating holy who moved like that then you got no reason to pick louis who was way to outdated in his movements

 

I already explained that people give louis a advanced movement and skillset of somebody else which is odd cause he never had modern movement it's no reason to say he can beat any of these big names

not when he stuggled and got beat by those trash dudes when these big name modern legends never would lose to those dudes

I proved to that bowe moved more polished and shown better movement then Louis showed on page 8 and pointed out flaws and outdated movement of Louis and jersey

and that crazy troll glass only pointed out that I said bowe moved better like it's the only thing I said skipping over the rest of what I said cause he knows he was exposed

so yea bowe and mutiple others would destroy louis the man was outdated why do people act so blind to that
I can post vids and people still will act blind

do people have vision problems here

 

Exactly, technique and movement and stuff has changed and it has changed for a reason, because people realized that worked better, people don't like to admit it for some reason, for example people say Ray Robinson would beat Golovkin, I say not a chance, I've seen people say Marciano beats Wilder, not a chance, there a a select few that would have success now like Qawi and Spinks and Ali because they do things that still work today, but for the most part most old fighters styles are outdated, people have said Marvin Johnson beats Kovalev and there is just no way

 

But here inlies the problem: Louis wasn't actually hitting moving targets, most of his opponents were stiff, slow dummies who stood there to trade. When his opponents moved, he had massive problems, Billy Conn being a great example of this.

 

The sheer fact that you used post WWII fights to prove your point shows that you don't have good arguments. Louis from 1947 wasn't at his best anymore.

 

I even said louis and others tech was good for that time and before but when compared everybody was trash it's like people have vision problems here like I said it's real odd ether vision problems or like you said scared to admit the truth for a odd reason that I wanna know

it's nothing wrong saying the truth which can be seen on video

 

@moneytheman12
You are like a heavy bag for other posters.

 

more facts I said that to before mutiple times

my way of saying it was Louis only had good aim cause of the people he fought way easier to hit cause its easier to hit a person who just stands there

I said this to anybody who just stands there will have good aim

but louis is so called supposed to be able to beat the great holy who moved real good and razor Frazier George and others

but yet Louis not only stuggled but was beat by those dudes who never would give a stuggle to these names I put let alone beat them

im still waiting for somebody to bring me a vid of louis showing any modern advances in his movement that I always have asked for

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Schmeling beats late 80s/early 90s Holyfield. I wouldn't be surprised if Holyfield lost to Charles or Walcott either.

 

Its ironic that Evander Holyfield in his prime at heavyweight lost his title Michael Moorer. Moorer not a fighter you cant present as even having decent footwork. He actually plodded his to the title in 1994.

Then we had a heavyweight title fight a few weeks back. Fury and Wilder Did you see some advance movements there? With the kind of balance, modern skills on display that night those two nearly moved the game forward to 1897.
Like two 4 round kids throwing overhand rights

 

Schmelling never beats Holyfield