Does current Canelo beat Mayweather he originally faced?

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  1. boxerfan13

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    Someone let me know How Canelo would hit Mayweather? 36 yr old Mayweather barely got a finger laid on him by Canelo? A fighter throwing 20-25 punches a round will never sniff beating Mayweather.
     
  2. boxerfan13

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    You said literally nothing about how Canelo is going to hit Floyd. Being heavier and experienced doesn't hit your opponent. Canelo has 0 jab.. Isn't active enough to sniff giving any version of Floyd a problem.
     
  3. Loudon

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    Ha!

    It’s not just weight is it.

    It’s weight, strength, power, more confidence, more aggression and a different strategy.

    This isn’t a young, naive Canelo, standing off of Floyd, because he was wary of his speed.

    You’ve got to be on LSD if you truly believe that Floyd would have beaten this current version of Canelo easier, on the grounds that he’s heavier and less mobile. Dear me.

    Boxing isn’t as simple as that.

    Today’s Canelo would have pressed him more and backed him up. Floyd would have fought far more defensively.

    You haven’t looked from Floyd’s perspective at all. Floyd isn’t pot shorting any SMW’s-LHW’s who would have zero respect for his power.

    Your logic is skewed.

    Why didn’t Floyd put a masterclass on a slow, crude Maidana?

    Canelo tried to box Floyd and came unstuck.

    Maidana fought Floyd and roughed him up, and was unlucky not to at least get a draw.

    A different version of Canelo, with a different game plan, would have given you a completely different fight.

    This power punching prime version of Canelo would have backed Floyd up, made him have fought defensively, before landing hurtful power punches at some point.

    Can you not realise that the two versions of Canelo are two completely different fighters?

    Do you think a 36 year old, 150 version of Floyd could have beaten GGG at MW, as well as other current SMW’s and LHW’s?

    Do you think Erislandy Lara would have caused today’s version of Canelo the same amount of issues?
     
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  4. Loudon

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    That’s not what happened at all.
     
  5. Loudon

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    He’d walk him down.
     
  6. Loudon

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    The 2 versions of Canelo are world’s apart.
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sure. But they’re not.

    We’re looking at 36 year old, 150 pound Floyd vs the current day Canelo.

    That is not the version of Canelo that Floyd and Lara fought.
     
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  8. UniversalPart

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    Ultimately, when it mattered and actually happened, Floyd proved to be a level above Canelo.

    Only the absurd card scoring made it seem vaguely competitive.

    Credit to Canelo though, he's been tearing through divisions since and has found the perfect style that suits his attributes.
     
  9. red corner

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    Mayweather's win keeps looking better every year.
     
  10. Loudon

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    This is silly.

    Actually work?

    Floyd wouldn’t fight Canelo at 154.

    Yet he’s now beating the current SMW-LHW version too?

    How offensive do you think Floyd would have been against this prime, tank like version of Canelo?

    Canelo would fight far more aggressively, and Floyd would fight far more defensively.

    That is the realistic scenario.

    Floyd is more skilled and faster than ANY current SMW or LHW, but it doesn’t mean that he could have beaten them.

    Today’s Canelo would have pressured Floyd and walked him down and hurt him.
     
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  11. Loudon

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    The size, power and strength would be a huge difference.

    Otherwise, we’d all agree that Floyd could beat other SMW’s-LHW’s.
     
  12. Loudon

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    Why would their fight have had to have been closer in order for you to change your mind?

    You’re looking at a completely different version of Canelo.

    Different physically, mentally and stylistically.

    Floyd was supremely confident of beating a 152 young version of Canelo, who showed him far too much respect.

    He wouldn’t even let him weigh 154.

    Let’s be realistic here. Would that version of Floyd have had the same confidence against last nights version of Canelo?

    Would he have tried to have pot spotted last nights SMW version of Canelo?

    Do you think last nights SMW version of Canelo would have stood off of Floyd like he did in 2013, where he was wary of getting countered by Floyd’s speed?

    Floyd was truly great. But was he beating elite level SMW’s and LHW’s just on ability and speed?

    Last nights Canelo would have walked down Floyd, put him into a defensive shell and then hit him with huge power punches.

    The same version of Floyd that beat Canelo barely beat Marcos Maidana.

    A bigger, stronger, more powerful, prime version of Canelo would have backed Floyd up and hurt him at some point.

    What do you think Lara would do with today’s Canelo?
     
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  13. kdyehs

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    Canelo is not getting better ; his opponents are getting weaker. This new generation of American/English fighters are not built to be involved in a war. Look at the current top Mexican fighters, their KO percentage and wins. You need real men against these boys. Not Gen Z fighters. Boxing is likely to be dominated by Mexicans for at least two decades. It's going to be a long era.
     
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  14. Loudon

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    I don’t agree at all, but the thing you’re overlooking is that it wouldn’t even have been the same version of Floyd who he’d have fought in 2013.

    We can’t just assume that the version of Floyd who demanded a 152 C-W, would have approached THIS current version of Canelo at SMW in the same way, by using the same game plan/strategy etc.

    It’s completely unrealistic.

    The mindsets of the fighters would have made the fight play out completely differently.

    You don’t need psychic powers to realise that.

    Floyd had huge confidence against THAT version of Canelo who he fought. Again, a version of Canelo who didn’t press and pressure him. Yes, Canelo isn’t a pressure fighter. He’s a counter puncher. A boxer. But Oscar wasn’t a pressure fighter either. Yet he pressed Floyd, pressured and backed him up, which scored him rounds.

    Today’s version of Canelo would have pressured Floyd much more. He’d be far more aggressive. He’d throw and land far more power punches. He’d get closer to Floyd and rough him up. He’s much more inclined to fight. He’s bigger, stronger, more powerful and much more confident than the version who Floyd saw.

    He’s knocked out genuine world class SMW’s and LHW’s since. He would never ever view Floyd in the same way. He would never show a 36 year old, 150 pound fighter the same amount of respect as he did back then, after taking out BJS and Kovalev etc.

    The realistic scenario would see a far less confident version of Floyd vs a supremely confident, prime version of Canelo who’s fighting 3 divisions higher.

    A more defensive version of Floyd vs a much more aggressive version of Canelo.

    That would have given us a completely different fight altogether.

    The version of Floyd who fought Canelo wouldn’t have been able to have beaten elite level SMW’s and LHW’s, just on the grounds that he was faster and more skilled.

    If we’re asking if the current version of Canelo weighing 152-154 pounds could have beaten Floyd, then that is a completely different question altogether.

    If we’re looking specifically at last nights version of Canelo who fought Plant, weighing exactly the same, then Canelo would be a huge favourite, despite what happened in 2013.

    A 36 year old, 150 version of Floyd, isn’t beating an elite level SMW in his prime.
     
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  15. Loudon

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    Completely different versions of each fighter.

    A 150 Floyd isn’t schooling an elite, prime SMW.