Does current Canelo beat Mayweather he originally faced?

Ginger Hulk is several weight classes above the weight Floyd would agree to fight him. Floyd tried to weight restrict Winky and he was smaller than todays Canelo. Canelo will never see 155 again and Floyd ain’t fighting at 168. Give it up.

Skill wise, Canelo has improved from the Floyd fight, he’s a better fighter, his stamina is better and he’s smarter. I didn’t like his slow movement last night but the end result was a KO (the illegal shots would have been called if the opponent was Floyd).

 

Canelo looks the exact same. He looks like the same boxer puncher that is very selective with his punches. What's different is he's been fighting bigger.. Slower fighters. Mayweather is 1000000x faster with his hands and feet and his defense is not even in the same stratosphere as anyone Canelo has faced.

"I didn't know how to get him, it's extremely simple," Alvarez said. "He's a great fighter, very intelligent. The frustration was getting in there, but he's a great fighter. We tried to catch him."

That was Canelo post fight with Mayweather. And Mayweather wasn't boxing when he fought Canelo. He stood right in front of him.. Backed him up and made him look extremely bad and was at a 20lb disadvantage.. So people bringing in a weight advantage that Canelo would have means nothing when he doesn't fight like a bigger fighter. That's why everyone says Mayweather is a nightmare for Canelo because Canelo fights more like Floyd than he does a typical Mexican fighter.

 

The ones that throw 25-30 punches a round.. Yes

 

To me they could fight at heavy and Mayweather would still win. Canelo is just not that impressive against slick fighters.

 

Canelo threw 361 punches against Plant and landed 32% of his punches.. Against Plant.. Who has a similar style (just 1000000000000000 times less effective) to Mayweather. Plant is 100 times slower than Mayweather.. Hand speed and foot speed.. Doesn't control distance like Mayweather.. Doesn't have near the defense Floyd has.. And Canelo got off 361 punches.. When the ideal gameplan against Plant would've been to walk him down. Come back to reality. Canelo is a boxer puncher and that style will never effect Floyd given Canelo's attributes

 

Floyd didn't drain him They (team canelo) came in with an offer that included the catchweight. Floyd didn't demand that.

 

But for that to have an effect he needs to land and he barely touched Floyd in the first and his reach and height have not changes as he has moved up.

 

That's exactly what happened. Team Canelo offered the catchweight

 

You think Mayweather would ever go up to 168? If Mayweather was anything close to what he was and wanted to make a rematch it be at a catch weight, and you'd have even more debate over who had the advantage than there was back in 2013.

 

He is schooling any version of Canelo, if we are talking prime by prime. If we are talking 50 years old of Mayweather, yeah he obviously won't.

 

Canelo wasn't standing off him coz he was wary, he was forced to stand off coz he was countered everytime he tried to get in and his reach and speed will not have changed since then. If your asking Would floyd have taken the risk of fighting todays canelo with the huge weight difference then no he would take an easier fight for the same money as he was mainly about business but the time he fought Canelo but im saying (imo) had they fought Floyd would still nullify Canelo and outpoint him. Canelo has improved his power but at the cost of a bit of the speed he had in 2013 and his stamina may be a bit better but thats not enough imo to turn around what was an absolute schooling he took from Floyd. Floyd made it look coz he is leaps and bounds a better boxer than canelo. There is no shame in that Floyd is an ATG

 

If Canelo fought like Maidana then Floyd would do what he done to Marcos....tie him up and collect rounds with the faster straight right then tie up again and rinse and repeat for 12 rounds. Floyds stamina was unmatched and has never looked hurt with a bodyshot his whole career. Thats the thing with Floyd he can change and adapt within the same round.

 

Stop being ridiculous in thinking defensive is gonna save one against heavier opponents. How was Logan Paul able to land and survive against Floyd? Just look at what happened to the greatest defensive fighter of this generation, Rigondeaux, against Loma when he moved up in weight. He had nothing, but kept being pushed around. And same thing happened with Loma when he moved up and eventually faced Lopez (who really is a welterweight with strong power), even the jab alone had Loma with a high guard for half the fight.

Canelo has a great jab when he chooses to throw it, but your right its not his main weapon. But hardly a matter to consider. The only thing that might save Floyd would be his footwork but that's about it. His typical forearm style defense of using elbows on the inside works against opponents of equal size, but once he gets to 160lb and above...forget it.

There was a time when Floyd could have challenged Sergio Martinez for 160lb, but he never did. And he knows why.

 

You brought up Logan Paul. Good day lol

 

He doesn’t look exactly the same. That’s the whole point.

He’s now a 30 year old, bulked up SMW-LHW in his prime.

The weight advantage he had over Floyd in 2013 wasn’t an advantage in the fight, because like you’ve noted, he stood off of Floyd in the centre of the ring.

Do you seriously think that today’s Canelo who’s built like a tank, and who’s knocked out SMW’s and LHW’s would have stood off of Floyd in the same manner?

Of course he wouldn’t have.

He’d never have stood back and shown him the same amount of respect as what he did back then.

This current version is walking guys down and knocking them out who’s 3-4 divisions higher.

Today’s version of Canelo would have pressed and pressured Floyd, where he’d have backed him up and looked to have hurt him with power punches.

Again, there’s a huge difference between the two versions of Canelo. Maybe not in terms of technique, but in terms of power, strength, weight, confidence and aggression etc.

Today’s SMW version of Canelo would certainly have fought as the bigger guy against a 150 pound fighter.

The other thing you haven’t considered, is how Floyd would have approached the fight. In 2013, he had the confidence to pot shot Canelo in the centre of the ring. But he obviously wouldn’t have had the confidence to have done that against a powerful, elite level SMW-LHW, even though he possessed more skills and speed. Floyd would never have fought him in the same way. That should be obvious to anybody.

Again, a less confident, more defensive Floyd vs a more confident, more offensive and aggressive Canelo, just produces a completely different fight.