"But superheavyweights back then were BAD!"

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Yeah, part of the argument is that a lot of big men probably back could have made better use of their size advantages with modern tactics and technique.
     
  2. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    You think that the boxing technique of the time was better and more modern for fighting identically sized opponents?
     
  3. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think I read that the Great Depression combined with WW2 and its aftermath caused nutrition to fall by the wayside for several years.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Primo Carnera was trained by Abe Attell.

    If you think that Abe Attell did not teach him some decent boxing fundamentals, then I submit that he was probably incapable of being taught.
     
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  5. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    No. I think that when big men don't use their size advantages properly, their much smaller opponents' advantages in speed, agility, aggression, skill, etc. become far more impactful. Fighting small nullifies some of your biggest advantages while magnifying those of your opponents.
     
  6. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I do say that both big men and small men had poor technique compared to modern boxers.
     
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  7. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    So in your judgement, the smaller guys of that era sucked at fighting small, just as the bigger guys sucked to an equal degree at fighting big. But in this equally skill-free environment, the smaller guys won because small men have natural advantages over bigger ones (speed, agility, etc.)?
     
  8. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Whose was worse relative to the guys today?
     
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  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    What do you mean by "sucked at fighting small"?

    And just to be clear, I never claimed that it was a "skill-free environment."
     
  10. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would also think after the 40s the rise of other sports started taking away some of these other giants. This is just a guess though as I don't have any data to back this up
     
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  11. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    OK, I can explain.

    Fighting small, big, or whatever is part of a modern fighter's skillset. Most critics of the old timers (1900s to 1930s) say that fighters back then lacked all sorts of skills. So I'm asking whether the skillsets of fighting big and fighting small were equally underdeveloped back then, or whether you see one or the other as having been better developed.

    When I was talking about an equally skill free environment, I was trying to get this idea across.
     
  12. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, he was only 15 lbs lighter than the Lewis who at the same age iced Ruddock.

    15 lbs isn't insignificant, but it's certainly something a 6'5 man can put on with the help of weights and PEDs without much problems.
     
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  13. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    And about as lean, too. Terrell was a very fit-looking man.
     
  14. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Leaner. I'd say. He was as lean as you can get. A 1992 Lewis that lean would perhaps not be more than 222 lbs.

    Not saying Terrell would be as powerful as Lewis just because he put on 10 more lbs, mind you. But a Terrell with a couple of years with Shilton... He'd probably give a good many modern HWs a lot to think about.
     
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  15. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    A bigger Ruiz with a good jab and better skills. Yeah, I could see him being pretty effective.
     
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