Would Jersey Joe Out Fox The Bear??

He seems to have had stamina issues throughout his career. I think that explains some 9f the showboating.

 

Was Walcott really that close to Machen stylistically, though? My own, inexpert takeaway is that Walcott was more a sneaky puncher who happened to move well; not a defensive slick boxer. Closer in spirit and broad strategy to somebody like Ingo or Fitzsimmons than Machen (although his technique was obviously different from either of those guys.)

 

I like Sonny here.

 

I wouldn’t favor Walcott to beat Liston, no.

 

*Walcott angrily shuffles hands*

 

You would have to make Liston the favorite, but a Walcott win would not be earth shattering.

 

This is what @roughdiamond was saying the other day about people not actually watching the fighters they’re talking about. Machen and Walcott were nothing alike it’s like comparing Lennox Lewis and Ezzard Charles... I agree with your points Walcott has a lot more dog in him he really took it to Rocky in there fight and fought like a real champion. “Sneaky puncher” really is an accurate description LOL.

 

If you were robbed of context then yes.

 

Machen did use a lot of movement.

 

Walcott's shuffles fients were not showboating. They were effective confusing his opponents. For example he would tie a man up in a clinch and come out of it walking his opponent where he wanted the fight to be. He was a Sand Dancer as someone wrote.

 

jersey being the best mover ever in the black and white era before ali era yea beats max easy

 

NO. Charles "The Biggest Bear" Liston was kryptonite for every single boxer who has ever existed, is existing and will exist. He had the saddest backstory of any being in the universe's history and had an 84 astronomical unit reach with 15 light years across fists. He was 6km and 1 metres tall and was physically strongest being ever....He dismembered people by simply flicking his fingers and his jab was equivalent of a planet crashing on another planet at a trillion times the speed of light.
Liston was 69420 years old when he lost to Clay so it doesn't count.

So Joe Walcott gets his concept erased before he even realises what's going on.

 

Didn't Liston "outfox" Walcott when he went down against Ali with his arms over his head?

Jersey Joe didn't know what to do.

All Liston has to do is go down in the first against Jersey Joe from a nothing punch.

Walcott would look surprised and not know what to do. He'd walk over to the Ring publisher and ask him what he should do. And when Joe turned around, Liston would be standing there and would knock him out.

Outfoxing the fox.

 

Yeah he’ll overwhelm him imo, everything bounces off Liston but it’s not the same case for Walcott . I don’t see it going 15, I don’t see it going 10 to be honest

 

Can’t see him having trouble reaching that much, that long heavy left jab is a huge problem for the smaller man