Look, I'm trying to have a rational conversation here with you. It really doesn't have much if anything to do with Usyk. If you want to say Usyk is great or greater or the greatest, by all means, knock yourself out. I'm simply stating that there's a reason why the lower you go in weight the closer the weight classes are to each other. Cruiserweight to LHW - 25 lbs LHW to SMW - 7 lbs SMW to MW - 8 lbs MW to SWW - 6 lbs SWW to WW - 7 lbs WW to SLW - 7 lbs SLW to LW - 5 lbs LW to SFW - 5 lbs SFW to FW- 4 lbs FW to SBW- 4 lbs SBW to BW- 4 lbs BW to SFW- 3 lbs SFW to FW- 3 lbs Do you see how the lower you go the more weight matters??
Yeah, he should fight a top 10 CW instead to test the waters like 99% of fighters do when they move up.
Ok, then why didn't he get undisputed first @160? More prestigious than getting it in a weak-assed 168? Next, why avoid Beterbiev & Bivol? Ahh that's right he already cherry-picked a strap @175 in a disgrace against Kov who only fought 8 weeks prior and almost got KO'd and was out on his feet againts feckin YARDE!!!! It's fairly clear to see what he's doing.
One of the main reasons he had a fallout with GBP was because they weren't making the decisions Canelo wanted. Canelo wanted to unify 160, which he could have done easily, but GBP did not share Canelo's vision. When GBP failed to negotiate a fight against Derevyanchenko and resulted in Canelo getting stripped, Canelo publicly lashed out against De La Hoya and expressed his discontent. Why hasn't Bivol and Beterbiev fought each other? Your more concerned about Canelo fighting both of them when they've had 4 year to fight each other but you don't seem to be as passionate about them fighting each other. I wonder why...
You're not putting up much of a debate. Why don't you refute my points instead of talking about my genes..
He weighed 174lbs on fight night when he fought Trout, no way is he 175lbs on fight night while fighting at supermiddle.
So you don't think he'll ever defend the Undisputed at SMW? Wouldn't that be a shame? Don't you think Canelo has a responsibility to defend those titles and reign there now that he's Undisputed? Fans have been dreaming about there being one World Champ per weight class and now that dream has become a reality at Super Middleweight. If he vacated any of those World Titles at SMW and ceased being Undisputed it wouldn't be a good look. I would love to see him reign at Super Middleweight as Undisputed for years. After giving it some thought, I don't think there's any problem with him trying to capture a World Title at CW, but then if he wins he would have to vacate the CW Title if he wants to go on to defend Undisputed back at 168. Maybe by then Bivol will be ready to fight him at 168 for Undisputed. I think there's a lot of great fights at 168, it's just that people try to trash that division. There's Zach Parker, there's the IBO Champ, there's the possibility of certain Middleweights moving up. There's all kinds of possibilities moving forward at Super Middleweight. The Undisputed is something special and I can't imagine he would end up vacating Undisputed without defending it. This announcement that he is moving up to CW was surprising and it's a risky move for Canelo. But maybe he can pull this off before settling in to a long reign at SMW. I think that's what boxing needs. That's his best weight class. Just imagine the reaction there would be if he vacated being Undisputed. Because there's no competition at SMW? That's ridiculous, there's always competition. There's a long list of fighters who would give him a run for his money at 168. Hell I bet many of the contenders in the SMW rankings would put up a better fight than the 3 Champions he beat. I'm sorry but he must carve out at a legacy at SMW as Undisputed. If he wants to move up to CW and win a Title in another weight class, maybe he sees this as an opportunity to do so, but I can't imagine he wouldn't return to 168 and defend the Undisputed before the end of next year.
He's done something extraordinary at SMW already. Beat all three undefeated champions, and the first Undisputed champion there. I don't think there's anything interesting there for him or us fans at 168 anymore. Now if GGG, or Charlo move up then maybe he could stay there a little longer. Benavidez will soon be a LHW, so Canelo can fight him at 168 or 175. At 175 he'll be at a significant weight disadvantage, but his skills will make up for it. There he can show these clowns how it's done and do what Bivol and Beterbiev haven't done in four years.. fight them. You also have big Mexican Showdown against Ramirez.
You don't have to rehydrate as much when you're not cutting weight. By the way his reported fight night weight for Trout was 172 lbs, not 174 lbs, and it's rarely mentioned that Trout's fight night weight vs Canelo was a reported 171 lbs himself so while so much was made of Canelo's fight night weight, Trout was reported to put on almost the same amount of weight as Canelo did. The 174 lbs was vs Angulo with Angulo reportedly weighing 170 lbs. Also some sources reported that those weights were wrong and it was actually Angulo who weighed 174 and it was Canelo who weighed 170.
What he's due? He's avoiding the dangerous fights at or near his weight to chase an uttely worthless shiny thing to hold up in the air while he beats his chest. Who does that sound like? Alvarez needs to stake out his own legacy. As it is, he's just a bigger, slower, less-skilled, freckled Floyd without the goose egg. That's his due.
Some people seem to fail to see the correlation between a 154lb gassed Canelo and a 168lb high stamina Canelo. No the correlation is not PEDS(yes, he's on them, they all are). The correlation and CAUSATION is that 154lb Canelo was drained from cutting, which can ruin your stamina. Canelo's biggest lie is that he was too small for GGG. Canelo has gone for the easy pickings in the division again, even with that it is a great accomplishment. Once he has the belt he HAS to fight the best at 175lbs to cement his status. This is a good fight for him to put on some weight to then 'cut' to 175lbs for the big fights. It's not his fault 168lbs is dead either. I'm a GGG fan but I really wish he did half of what Canelo attempts. GGG has ruined his legacy due to his inactivity and Canelo is ruining GGGs legacy even more by being so active. You can't hate on a fighter that is this active and whilst not always the best fight out there, they are always challenges. Fighters could learn a few things from him.
Zurdo fought at SMW not too long ago, and he's not currently a World Title Holder at LHW. Do you think he would move up to LHW to fight Zurdo in a non-title fight? His team has talked about fighting in Mexico next year, but do you think he would prefer to fight a fellow Mexican in Mexico or a non-Mexican? I don't think Canelo needs GGG or Charlo to move up to carve out a legacy at SMW. I think Bivol can happen at 168, but there is plenty of good competition at 168. Like a Zach Parker, who's ranked #1 by the WBO. Or how about a Unification with the IBO Champ (winner of Carlos Gongora vs Lerrone Richards). There's David Morrell Jr the WBA Regular Champ. There's this dude Aidos Yerbossynuly who's 16-0 and ranked #1 by the WBA. There's a fighter from Italy, Daniele Scardina who's 20-0 16 KOs. Or how about Berlanga Jr 18-0 16 KOs. Any of these guys could make a great fight with Canelo. I don't know about you but these kind of fights excite me more than fighting any of the guys that most people want to see him fight. I would like nothing more than to see some of these young up and coming SMWs getting a shot at Canelo for Undisputed. Think about what it would mean for these guys. This is what boxing needs in my opinion, creating new stars by taking young unproven talent and putting them on the biggest stage. Now maybe Canelo would destroy some of those guys, but so what, you never know if you don't give them a chance. One of those guys could be all wrong stylistically for Canelo and you'd never know. Canelo has an opportunity to take on a ton of talent at Super Middleweight. I couldn't imagine him vacating Undisputed. And I think it's apparent that he intends on defending those titles because it was confirmed that fighting at CW would not cause him to vacate any of his SMW Titles. People constantly trash Super Middleweight and act like it's a wasteland but they have no clue how much talent is there, has anyone really taken a good hard look at any of the fighters I just listed there? When you have this many formidable undefeated Champions they each are worthy for an opportunity to fight Canelo. These guys could keep Canelo busy for years. Canelo has an opportunity to be a Legendary Super Middleweight Champ and I think we need to look at Super Middleweight not as a wasteland but as the place to be. I also don't like the idea of Canelo continuing to put on weight and fighting much bigger guys than him. I understand the desire to win a Title at another weight class against a small Cruiserweight Title Holder, but this kind of thing could really shorten his prime if he is not careful. I think there's a bright future at 168 and Canelo really has no need to fight any higher than there. It's just too risky and there's plenty of competition at 168. Think about it this way - this whole Cruiserweight fight gets announced and many fans think it's some kind of a cherry pick because they see Makabu as the weakest CW Champion. There's a mixed reaction to it, but would anyone seriously complain if he took on some of those undefeated contenders at 168? How about this : Makabu for May, then Zach Parker for September. I would love to see him in there with a guy like Daniele Scardina. That guy can bang, and maybe Canelo sparks him out and you know what, if that happened it would be fireworks. Maybe an unknown like Scardina catches Canelo with something big. I just want to see the Undisputed be defended. It means so much more than just fighting some paper Champion. Fans have dreamed of having Undisputed for years and now we finally have that. Nothing to me is more interesting than seeing how long Canelo can reign as Undisputed at SMW. And in terms of legacy, when all is said and done, when you compare Canelo with the greatest Super Middleweights in history, like Ward or Calzaghe, the longer and more dominant that reign the better for Canelo. And people might say he's fighting unknown Bums by fighting these contenders. But keep this in mind, he just steamrolled 3 undefeated World Title holders in a row en route to Undisputed, 1 by shutout and the other 2 by sensational KO and people are acting like they were bums. It doesn't matter who Canelo fights, you'll always have haters. So you might as well ignore the haters and just take on the best most fun fights you can possibly make. And these SMW contenders are intriguing to me because of the unknown element of it. Canelo has already proved himself by fighting the best, and he still has tons of haters who complain about gift decisions and BS A-side demands. I think it's time for Canelo to really focus on defending Undisputed and having a long reign vs the best at Super Middleweight.
