Earnie Shavers' Power Quotes- An Explanation

I don't understand what you mean.

This thread isn't about which era as a whole contained hard punchers. It's about which individual puncher hit the hardest.

Somebody could watch film of Foreman, watch film of the 90s guys, and conclude that prime Foreman hit harder. Just like you watch film to prove the opposite.

I didn't respond about Ali not being as slick as the guys who came after him because I didn't see the issue as relevant to how hard Shavers hit.

It's true that Frazier KD'd Ali where harder punchers failed. (Not that Frazier was a soft puncher!) Sometimes you land the right punch at the right time. And Frazier had done more cumulative damage than Shavers before the knockdown, IMO. The privilege of being a swarmer.

 

I said the Ali thing cause he was known as the best but people came after and was better

people came after earn which did more damage is the reason I brought up the ali thing you said earn wasnt a God so Its no reason to say he hit the hardest yet even after giving 8 hard shots never made ali look like he was in danger but joe showed ali could took down by sudden counters

ali took 8 hard shots from earn not all he was prepared for

I gave you joe which showed a flaw in the point your making ali taking 8 hard shots never looked like he was falling or dropped

joe hurt ali more then earn people like razor hit way harder with his uppercut/hook in his young days it was timed better

its mutiple people who hit harder then George to in 90s George tech was trash always was which took away from his power he never put a person in danger from a handful of shots it always was mutiple his power is almost as overrated as the god earn

 

Still not getting why Shavers would have to be a "god" to hit harder than Ruddock. Was Ruddock a god?

As to Foreman, he hurt people with those poor technique shots. Moorer went down like a sack of potatoes from what looked like a bored slap. Foreman didn't consistently use good technique. But his best shots did have good technique, and judging from how hard he hit with the sloppy ones, the less sloppy ones were incredibly hard.

Finally, why do you believe that fighters keep getting better?

 

well no razor wasnt but his power wasnt talked of like he was ether which goes over future boxers which shown to hit harder and wasnt cause of quotes said all he needed was vid proof just others

I dont know why earn is talked of like a god odd to me always have been I still dont understand why ali like I said and others can have others who have known to be better then them in skill in certain areas
but earn cant cause of words said odd right there real odd

I dont believe all fighters get better but its mutiple vids showing mutiple have been better then past way better on a movement level like you know I always talk of

I have said mutiple times the old George was a better boxer
punched with way better tech
wasted less punches
punched with more variety

you never seen the young George aim with a strong shot and drop a person he didnt have that aim or punch tech

that's the only reason old George drop Moorer that way cause of his tech being way better

I have said to that if we did replace the old George and put it on his young body he would give ali a way tougher match off of the reasons I said that is no opinion its fact

 

You think Tua was the hardest hitter ever. Other people think Shavers was the hardest hitter ever.

Nobody here thinks Shavers was a god. And as far as I know, you don't think Tua was a god, either.

Being the hardest puncher ever doesn't make somebody a god.

You are saying young Foreman *never* punched with leverage? That's going too far, IMO.

Also, we aren't talking about movement. We are talking punching power. The two are related, but not the same thing.

 

I kinda agree with that assessment too. Foreman hit hard cause he had heavy hands, but if you look at footage, in many instances his feet are not set up properly and thus he doesn't put much body weight behind punches, he just throws arm punches.
By comparison, Shavers put his whole body behind a shot and didn't hold back out of fear of being countered.
Now, given that Foreman is considered one of the hardest punchers ever by punching as he did, imagine how much harder he might have hit in a similar manner to Shavers.
Who's the hardest puncher ever is a great question, and we'll never have the answer to that, but I'd be willing to bet my life it isn't Shavers.
Wilder, Wladimir, Lewis, Tua, Foreman - are all able of hitting way harder

 

On film, he is very clearly punching from a deeper stance sometimes, with more leverage.

 

True, but he did not manage to hit Ali with such a shot, thus Ali's perception on who hit him hardest is skewed

 

I have an explanation for all the Shavers power quotes.

The most parsimonious explanation, is that he was one of the hardest punchers of all time.

That is the explanation that leaves you with the least inconsistencies!

 

Nah. I’ve only heard Jimmy Mack. Could you please hum a few bars from Jimmy Young?

Actually, I’ve highlighted Earnies treatment of Mr Young and my own treatment of same has been very much in Shavers’ favour, particularly in tracking down such a slippery customer so early in fight 1 and still being able to dump Jimmy hard in fight 2. .

I just threw up Tiger Williams, he was never KO’d either though and known for a rock hard chin. Young did face more a few more reputed punchers though he was more evasive than Roy. For Williams, at least we have actual visible vision to view viv our own viewing eyes. Just for those who will accept nothing less. LOL.

 

You are very correct Sir. Thank you. By way of your own balanced and fair address, you have “outed” me for my obvious cherry picking ways. Seriously kidding man. Excellent point re Caldwell’s further qualifications.

I’m certainly not going to hang fighters out to dry for their clearly, well intended hyperbole. While Caldwell did give a more considerate breakdown I’m still not sure that he necessarily tasted Ron’s best however but it’s not impossible I guess.

 

Can we change “really” to “ridiculously” for the Derek Zoolander effect?

Derek: “Let me answer your question with a question (with the Blue Steel pout), how many fighters said Earnie wasn’t the hardest puncher ever?”

Derek wasn’t as dumb as it seemed.

 

facts agian look at the joe match we have a man known to hit way less hard then George but hurt ali worst then anybody with clean shots

 

facts buddy which I have left out those names I thought the destroyer tua would be enough George or earn like I said mutiple times never caused fear or damage from a grazed shot like dave did or did George and earn ko a person onced their sig shot was landed never happened