Earnie Shavers' Power Quotes- An Explanation

So Tua never landed 8 clean power punches on someone and they remained on their feet? Is this the challenge?

 

Goes right back at you Flash. I see all the excellent posts you make mate i am just woeful at knocking out as many likes as i mean too. I'll work on that.

 

Nobody said that it's impossible for the rest of history, forever, for future fighters to hit harder than Shavers.

They are saying that nobody hit harder than Shavers so far.

 

You are a patient & compassionate man.

 

but thats not true its been mutiple who have hit way harder you just dont have quotes that say that so sense that's not there you think vid doesn't count you said before that you dont need quotes but you do cause your still saying the same thing

cause If we had quotes saying how this man said that his punches was harder then earn cause that's what you told me

quotes dont mean nothing to me you been knew that quotes matter for your opinion to become fact mine is off of video online from my own eyes

you said quotes are good sometime as a way to have more proof that becomes fact that is right but then when we have video of something that is there to see that we can use logic without words vid by it self can go over quotes

which is why I did say razor uppercut/hook combo hit harder then earn best punch it had better tech and was timed better and was from a heavier man which adds to punches

 

Why are you saying that I claimed video doesn't matter?

I've been pretty clear throughout this thread that you should take a combination of evidence. Quotes. Video. Records.

Not all fighters have video. Not all fighters have quotes. You have to work with what you get.

 

Do you physically feel the impact of Shavers's punches when you watch the videos?

Because Bugner, Young, Tillis, Holmes, Cobb, and the others did feel the impact.

And they saw the fights live, close up, in high-definition eyeballvision.

 

Let me also ask it this way:

In your mind, can I use quotes to compare Foreman and Shavers? Or should I ignore the quotes when comparing those two as well?

 

I think the reasonable counterpart to the argument Shavers was as exceptional as some claim in the power department is that he failed to stop a number of guys who were brutally stopped and those he did stop were in most cases stopped more quickly and decisively by other guys.
With the exception of Jimmy Ellis, virtually all the guys Shavers stopped who were well tested against quality opponents were stopped more quickly and decisively by other opponents. At the end of the day actual results probably carry more weight than testimony especially given the testimony in some cases is ambiguous.

I find someone like Murat Gassiev's power more evident based on results given his stoppages of guys who had never been stopped.

 

you said cause earn has quotes that's why you believe it others dont so you dont you go off quotes but before you said you didnt need quotes

 

i never said you cant use quotes the quotes are outdated i said cause mutiple people have said George hit harder which I think is right think in general but earn sig punch was way harder then anything George ever threw

 

well nobody feels the punches watching but I go off of how the opponent reacted I cant see any way to logical say George hit harder then mutiple people not from single shots but multiples added up yea which Is where people get the two confused

you said it yesterday George caught moorer with a good strong jab and dropped him that George hit harder with single shots then the young one cause of tech

 

This can't be a reliable measure, surely?

 

This is flat out false.

He was the only guy to stop Williams. There isn't anyone else out there who stopped him faster. And being the only guy to stop someone is usually a sign of legit power.

Nobody stopped young faster.

Nobody stopped Bugner faster.

He's tied with Cooney for stopping Norton in 1 and Cooney was a hell of a puncher.

All of these fighters were tested by quality opponents and some continued fighting well past their prime against a new crop of younger heavies who had good power yet they never changed their mind about shavers.

At some point you have to admit something's up.

And by the way, there are dozens and dozens of factors that go into how quickly you can manage to stop someone. Ribalta was stopped faster by more than half a dozen fighters than Tyson managed, including Chris Byrd of all people. Does that put doubt on Tyson's power and suggest Byrd might hit harder?

 

yea it is