Earnie Shavers' Power Quotes- An Explanation

I dont read legend glass stuff cause he is a troll and says crazy stuff I thought you noticed I dont respond to those type people rarely when I do is usually with 70s or ill say a couple responses to somebody else
I have talked to legend magoo more then once but he doesn't always troll

no that doesn't work that way cause me saying he isnt the hardest puncher has nothing to do with only 1 match its matches compared to others who dropped or put a person in danger with way less punches

 

no I never implied that he wasnt a hard puncher cause of ali and larry how did you get that from that

I only put ali and larry there cause those are big names if I say no names you wont care

no im holding him to the standard that you and others give him which is flawed

we cant hold anybody to the standard that you put wlad to cause nobody else is said to have mutiple outdated quotes of being the so called hardest puncher ever in Weight class

 

George never hit close to as hard as the best outboxer lennox George tech when young was trash you know that which is the reason he always had to keep pounding a person to stop them

lennox tech was great and he always hit hard

I never said earn didnt have a good amount of drops the thing is him having to hit a person with mutiple shots to get there when he shouldnt have

same with George these 2 legends are both known to hit hard but tech was trash so they couldnt using make those punches as effective

shown with joe oscar ron all these people in the same era punched with better tech

 

I dont believe lennox is the hardest hitting best outboxer he was still has that title nobody else in history has been that great of a outboxer with that amount of power

I keep saying that people who do say like you do think earn was a god or else you still wouldnt be saying outdated quotes of what man said these you would only care of the vid evidence that shows he wasnt no more

 

That's your opinion. We're discussing what actually happened in their careers, not h2h speculation.

Wladmir failed to "brutally KO" Peter, Wach, Brewster, Haye, Povetkin, and several other boxers who couldn't carry Ali's jock strap and whose chins aren't remotely as proven as Ali's.

Your bias and hypocrisy are staggering.

You claim Cooney hit harder than Shavers, yet shavers knocked Holmes down and Holmes named him the hardest hitter he fought. Cooney never floored holmes once. What's the excuse?

Shavers knocked down young and Cooney couldn't, what's the excuse? If you want to claim young was inexperienced, how about Young being old as hell and on drugs when he fought Cooney? Which is worse?

You claim the Bugner stoppage isn't a big deal because it involved a cut (let's ignore the fact shavers is the one who caused the cut with legal punches and knocked Bugner down). Cooney stopping young on cuts is arguably his best stoppage, so does young not count for Cooney?

You claim shavers knocking out williams isn't a big deal since Williams only faced a small number of elite opponents. Shavers is still the only man to KO him. Are there any boxers that Cooney was the only person to KO?

Did Cooney ever knock down an iron chinend fighter such as cobb or Holmes?

If the Norton KO doesn't count for shavers because he was getting old, how about Cooney knocking out an even worse and older version of Norton?

You do realize with your biased criteria and goal post shifting, you're leaving Cooney with virtually no noteworthy knockouts?

You claimed plenty of people stoped shaver's KO victims faster than he did and I just proved this is not only not true, it's failing to account for many factors that go into a knockout. Relying solely on the round that someone scored a KO to proven one fighter hits harder than another is extremely flawed.

You keep calling shavers KO victims either too young/inexperienced or too old at the time whenever convenient. Which prime world class boxers did Cooney ever knockout?

 

It's a pretty goofy criteria, 10x worse than going off of the reactions of a boxer when they get hit. Judging if a boxer has "fear" is 95% speculation and assumption outside of them blatantly running away, taking a dive, or admitting it themselves. It's almost impossible to prove.

Quotes are not flawless, but scientifically they are far more reliable than just looking at a boxers reactions which greatly varies from fighter to fighter.

 

You implied that Shavers wasn't a puncher in the same league as Tua, Wilder, Wlad, and Lewis, right?

Not so.

If you can find quotes that all of Wlad's opponents say he hit harder than any other 90s/2000s puncher, that WOULD be relevant to whether he's the all time hardest puncher.

 

And as I've said, young George didn't always have bad technique. Sometimes he punched with plenty of leverage. You can see this on film.

I'm comparing best punch to best punch.

 

So from your perspective, any time anybody uses "outdated quotes" about a boxer, they must think the boxer is a god?

If I quote Lennox's opponents about what a great outboxer he was, does that mean I think Lennox is a god?

 

Ah, but I don't think he could accept a fighter's actual admission of fear. That would be a quote. He insists on trying to read the fear from the film itself. A very unreliable method, IMO.

 

There was a list of them I drew up a while back. Having trouble finding the thread now because it wasn't actually entitled anything Shavers-relevant.

 

Well this is obviously not true because you liked one of my posts recently. Last Saturday 10:53 AM to be exact.

 

no quotes itself doesn't mean looked at as a god but using them as proof of something cause legends said it which so called means more then no names

and then acting like sense legends said it that it goes over vid evidence is thinking a person is or was a god

well if you was saying that lennox is the best outboxer sense we would be in his time and cause others said it at the time or say a person fought him when he was old and said he was a best yea I would say the same thing cause it would be outdated if we had somebody we can see is better

its what your doing your saying cause people said it in his era that it means forever true it's like your stuck in time and forgot of 80s-90s which shown mutiple boxers who hit harder

 

in general George tech was trash In his young body his uppercut was his best punch

his best punch when old was the jab
his tech in general was better I like that George I told you the other fixes he made

im not impressed by the young George never have been