Earnie Shavers' Power Quotes- An Explanation

thats not right cause I said mutiple times specifically fear of sig punch your flipping my word agian you forget I always tell you exact words I mean

 

None of the reasons you're saying we consider Shavers a god are true.

First, we aren't saying he hit harder because "legends said so." Some of us cited what journeymen said. It doesn't matter whether somebody is called a "legend". It matters whether the person got hit by Shavers and other people.

Second, posters do not "see that others are better." They disagree with you about the film. They've watched the film, just like you've watched the film, and they disagree with you. They interpret the film differently.

Third, they aren't saying "It's forever true." I even said earlier that a puncher might come along harder than Shavers. Shavers hit harder than anyone so far. That's what people are telling you.

Finally, you are totally ignoring why people use the 70s/80s quotes. They use the 70s quotes to prove Shavers hit harder than anyone in the 70s/80s. They just believe (unlike you) that the fighters in the 70s and 80s hit harder than the fighters in the 90s/2000s.

 

but they didnt hit harder and its mutiple harder hitters then earn your just stuck like I said in that time you think cause that he was gave that title like i said forever makes him the harder hitter

you wont tell me a match where earn used his Sig punch and in the first couple mins dropped a person or hurt them so bad with it that they knew they couldnt take another
I said this mutiple times you know it never happened

I know to that ali wouldnt be able to take a dave hook mutiple times without falling

the quotes do matter cause thats your main reason for being stuck cause if it was no quotes you wouldnt be saying this they matter to you

 

Again, not so.

Here is my post from the other thread. It's relevant to why I think Shavers is in the discussion for hardest puncher ever (although the issue in that thread was size.) And these were just the ranked guys. If you include journeymen, there are probably more.

@Cojimar 1946, this is what I was referring to.

 

When Foreman used good leverage in his first career -- and he sometimes did -- he was an incredibly hard puncher. Even his arm punches hurt people.

 

Okay. I didn't realize you were being so specific.

I think looking for "fear of a signature punch" is even more speculative than looking for fear in general.

 

i think Wilder gives Shavers a run for his money in terms of power. i'm not a Wilder fan, but when he lands a flush right, the guy he hits drops like a sack of bricks.

 

Yeah, I agree.

Once you get to the top dozen hitters or so, you can make a fair case for most of them, IMO.

The steroid / lifting bugbear being the wild card here, of course. Might be that all of the 70s guys were wimps compared to the roided 90s punchers.

 

If Wilder has taken any gear, he only did so before the third fight with Fury, and it did not help. Wilder was like 220 before then. At 6'7". Just saying, I don't think anybody can take anything away from Wilder by claiming steroids. His power is clearly natural, like Shavers.

 

18 pages in and now apparently the criteria is an arbitrary 8 left hooks in a row/in a fight/whatever the ****. Since nobody took 8 hooks from Tua (which is a flat out lie) he's a harder puncher than shavers.

Seriously WTF is going on in this thread? In which boxing match in history did someone ever land 8 consecutive hooks within one round?

If a boxer lands their "Signature" power punch on an opponent 8 times without scoring a knockout their power is suspect now? In addition, if the opponent doesn't display "fear" of their signature punch or reacts violently to getting hit the power is suspect?

Ok, with this criteria, the following boxers are now feather fisted frauds:

Morrison, Lewis, Wladmir, Vitali, Ruddock, Wilder, Joshua, Whyte, AND Tua.

Glad we got that cleared up. Nobody punches hard apparently.

 

To be 100% fair to the other side, I think he's saying that hitting somebody with 8 "signature" punches without dropping him merely disqualifies you from being the GOAT hardest puncher.

This actually has an even weirder consequence, though. It means that there is no such thing as a puncher who hit harder than any other puncher in history. (Since you've pointed out that every puncher took more than 8 signature shots to finish somebody.) Straight up, there is no hardest puncher.

The only way you become the hardest puncher is to never break the 7-punch barrier. This makes no sense to me mathematically.

Maybe the hardest puncher is some guy who knocked his first opponent out with one punch, and then retired?

 

What is your evidence that the 90s punchers hit harder than the 70s punchers?

 

Lewis especially.

Not only did Lewis's signature punch(es) fail to floor McCall, but it's very obvious that McCall reacts with petulant crying, not fear. Nobody reacted to Foreman's punches by staying upright, dropping their hands, and throwing a temper tantrum. McCall was actually demanding that Lewis hit him.

By the fear test, Lewis had negative power.

 

yea you did cause I said mutiple times how grazed people was scared of Dave punch cause they knew it would be over if another one connected grazed or not

clean I said they were damaged from it and had trouble recovering even in other rounds the damage was shown

 

mutiple vid evidence now your trolling like 70s does by asking silly questions he does the same thing asking vid evidence of people being better then louis era when its vid to prove it

its mutiple names in the 90s that hit hard its only a handful that hit hard in 70s