If Spence and Crawford aren't ATG, how can you say Cotto is?

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  1. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok, hear me out. Cotto's best wins are Margarito, Mosley, Clottey, and Martinez. Now, most of these guys were either past their prime or not as great as they seemed. He couldn't even put Pauli Malignaggi away for Christ's sake. Now, Crawford became undisputed at 140 and actually defeated better competition than Cotto Did. Spence has big wins on Lamont Peterson, A fresher Kell Brook, Porter, and Danny Garcia. When comparing the resumes and skillsets, it is clear as day that Crawford and Spence are better than Cotto and deserve to be Hall of Famers and ATGs. Cotto never rose to the occasion and defeated ATGS in their primes (Manny and Floyd). In my opinion, if you have Cotto as a ATG, you have to have Spence and Crawford there. I would even go as far as to say that Porter is better than anyone Cotto has ever faced. Any thoughts?
     
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  2. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Interesting perspective. How do you think Crawford would do against Cotto @140? No cake walk for Crawford.
     
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  3. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i never considered cotto an atg.
     
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  4. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Golovkin had mauled him. Look at Brook's face midway through his fight with Spence.
    Neither have Crawford and Spence.

    Cotto isn't an ATG, neither are Spence and Crawford.
     
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  5. kirk

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    Since when is Cotto an ATG.
     
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    Personally I do think Crawfords too much for Cotto. I think hed get the UD or late stoppage at 140 and 147.
     
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    I could be tripping, seems Im forgetting more boxing than I can remember these days... but who have they beat that is as good as the Mosley that Cotto beat?

    Not looking to argue it, Im just wondering.

    Off the top of my head, that Mosley is better than anyone theyve beaten.

    (Edit : I see you rank Porter above Mosley. Ya I disagree with that. I think Mosleys better than Porter. But if you think that then I can see a better case for Spence being above Cotto)
     
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  8. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Mosely was damn good. Beat a prime ODH. I Agree no one on TC or ES resume match the Mosely Cotto beat. Porter will never be ranked above Mosely.
     
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  9. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think Crawford stops Cotto the way he stopped Gamboa. If Cotto got schooled by Floyd, I can only imagine the beating Crawford gives him at 140 and 147
     
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  10. Geo1122

    Geo1122 Active Member Full Member

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    As many have said, I don’t consider Cotto an ATG. Though I do consider his achievements generally greater than Spence’s, given that Cotto is a 4 weight world champion, winning (and losing) belts for over 10 years (of his 16 year career). I’m not saying that you need to be a champion of multiple divisions, but if you’re a 1 division guy then you need to dominate that division. But Spence does have time on his side. It also has to be said that Cotto was fighting when boxers around those divisions were simply of a higher calibre. I mean, 3 of his losses are to ATGs. As things stand, I would say that Bud is the one that is potentially on that trajectory.
     
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  11. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cotto was an elite, but not ATG IMO

    This thread actually solidifies the thinking in my mind that Cotto/Spence & Crawford are all in the same vicinity, with maybe Bud a bit ahead based on 135 and undisputed 140
     
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  12. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cotto was exactly what's missing for Crawford and Spence, which is a big cast of guys who are good/very good and not afraid to lose. Ten years ago there was more of that.

    If Cotto was born later he might have ruled over a whole little era of his own.
     
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  13. lepinthehood

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    None of these are ATG yet.
     
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  14. Salty Dog

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    I was always a big fan of Cotto, but nobody (or very few) ever favorably compared him with SRL for example. HoF? Sure. ATG? Nah.

    Straw man.
     
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  15. jaytxxl

    jaytxxl Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cotto’s for sure HOF but ATG not close. He did have the opportunity tho as a win over either Floyd or Manny would have put him there.Or if he would have beaten Sergio after the Dzinziruk or Barker fight he may have been judged different but the crippled version he saw that night did nothing for his resume long term.

    That said I could see Cotto vs Bud going similar to Cotto vs Floyd and Cotto vs Spence playing it like Cotto vs Margarito 1.
     
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