If Usyk Beat AJ Again And Then Beats Fury Is He The Greatest Boxer Of All Time?

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  1. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Babic, Wallin, Hughie, and Canelo?? Are you crazy?

    These people have collectively done nothing in any division Usyk is relevant in besides beat journyemen or in Canelo's case literally nothing, and I like all of them.
     
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  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't think any of them are world-beaters. Okolie is the one that struck me--a cruiser whose one name win was a post-covid Glowacki?

    If he manages to beat Dubois, Lovejoy, Chisora in a rematch, Christina Hammer, a come backing Holyfield, Canelo and Shawn Porter, will be be remembered at the best?
     
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  3. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First off, take a look at the people in the conversation for Heavyweight GOAT right now. They all not only have multiple wins over sitting or former Lineal Heavyweight Champions, as well as top contenders, they also have some of those by dominant stoppages! It's very hard to get into the mainstream GOAT conversation.
     
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  4. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fight of the century Fury vs Foreman confirmed? Maybe since Canelo is a name here, we could just have Fighting Harada vs Fury as fight of the millennium.
     
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  5. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Did you hear Usyk anointing himself as the greatest or the best ever?
    He would need to do that first and often to convince easily susceptible people you are the all time best... just keep repeating it so people just start believing it and repeating it themselves.

    Then he would need to beat quite a number of really good fighters, Fury, a two time champion but with only one defence would be nice to have in there, and of course two time multi beltholder Joshi twice is a very good scalp. Now he would need another 3 or 4 of those guys, with the quite deep Cruiser resume he already has, to maybe be in the discussion for all-time #1.
    But those guys simply aren't there, so that's an issue, because even if he would be able to beat them, they simply don't exist... And on top of all that, he's not even remotely American either, which dq's him on the spot anyway.
     
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  6. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Harada maybe a bit tough for Fury, though!
     
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  7. Devon

    Devon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder and Wallin are closer to Fury in height, I know Wallin is only 2 inches taller than Usyk, but every inch matters hugely when you’re fighting Fury
    Fury isn’t the same fighter and doesn’t even have the same style now to how it was in the McDermott, Pajik or Cunningham fights, come on, that was like 8 years ago them fights don’t represent what Fury is now, I would agree that Fury didn’t look impressive at all then, but if the Fury now and the Fury 8 years ago had different faces, you wouldn’t be able to tell at all that it was him from the fighting styles
     
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  8. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Because Ali would beat the literal **** out of him, other than that I guess it’s not.
     
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  9. Sap1en

    Sap1en Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Usyk is already a GOAT imo.
     
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  10. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He'd be the best HW since Lewis for sure and maybe since Ali's era.
     
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  11. mafioso

    mafioso Well-Known Member Full Member

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    People overrrate old time boxer too much juste because they had a lot of fights against cab drivers...modern fighter never get their credits even if skillwise they are well above some 1900 "boxer"
     
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  12. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Lol
     
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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    P4P#2 in just 19 fights (should be #1)
    Unified the CW division in just 15 fights
    Three belt unified HW king in just 19 fights

    Olympic gold medalist
    World Amateur Championships gold & bronze
    European gold & bronze medalist

    Won all those gold medals on the road

    He was robbed in the 2008 Olympics against the eventual semi-finalist that year

    WBC cruiserweight champion
    WBA cruiserweight champion
    IBF cruiserweight champion
    WBO cruiserweight champion
    WBA heavyweight champion
    IBF heavyweight champion
    WBO heavyweight champion

    Unified the CW division in just 15 fights

    Is the three belt unified HW king in just 19 fights

    Won his Olympic gold, World Amateur gold, and European gold on the road

    Won, defended, and unified all his world titles as a pro in his opponent's backyards sans his first defence which was on neutral soil

    Ring Magazine champion at CW
    Ranked #2 P4P by The Ring Magazine
    Winner of the Muhammad Ali trophy

    Beat

    WBA, IBF and WBO champ AJ (24-1) in England
    WBA and IBF champ Gassiev (26-0) in Russia
    Beat WBC champ Briedis (23-0) in Latvia
    Beat WBO champ Glowacki (26-0) in Poland
    Beat former long reigning WBO champ Huck (40-4-1) in Germany
    Beat former WBC champ Bellew (30-2-1) in England
    Beat Michael Hunter (12-0) in the US
    Beat Mchunu (17-2) on neutral soil
    Beat Chisora (32-9) in England

    Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year (2018)
    ESPN Fighter of the Year (2018)
    Sports Illustrated Fighter of the Year (2018)
    CBS Fighter of the Year (2018)
    Boxing Writers Association of America Fighter of the Year (2018)
    Boxing News Fighter of the Year (2018)

    P4P#1 funniest boxer on the planet

    P4P#1 most charismatic despite barely being able to speak English

    P4P#1 most humble

    P4P#1 most fearless

    P4P#1 road warrior

    P4P#1 best dancer

    Best southpaw HW ever

    Best engine of any HW champ ever and can throw 1000 in a fight

    Best chin in boxing and has never even been hurt, let alone dropped or stopped despite facing more savage punching KO artists and legit bangers than any current fight you can think of in his last 9 fights

    Shares birthday, height, and reach with the #2 HW GOAT Muhammed Ali

    Has sold out arenas and stadiums in the UK twice (would've been 3 if not for Covid restrictions), Russia, Latvia, Poland, Germany, the US and Ukraine

    Highly athletic, highly skilled, very fleet of hand and foot, high ring IQ, great footwork and punch variety, extremely smooth and fluid in his movement for a big man and just a supremely talented boxer with beautiful skills. He's also very humble and has an immensely likeable personality, is an absolute gent and a scholar both in and out of the ring, bags of charisma, and he is an utterly fearless road warrior who relies on clean boxing to win fights and zero deck-stacking and dice loading and on top of all that he's as funny as hell. No catchweights, judges in his pocket, rehydration clauses, PEDs. No stacked deck at all.

    All achieved in just 19 fights

    Allow that sink into your abode

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    Usyk literally has zero flaws and, as desperately as they long for him to do so in order for them to be able to justify their hate, he has literally given the blasphemers and haters zero ammunition and reason to dislike him which only infuriates and drives them insane even more :lol:

    The GOAT has to be the complete package and no fighter who has walked this earth is more complete or as flawless as Usyk

    Take those rose-tinted glasses over to the Classic where they belong if you wanna talk dinosaur boxing

    Usyk is the pinnacle of human evolution and the perfect man, warrior, entertainer, boxer and fighter.

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    Serge, Nov 26, 2021
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  14. MadProf

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    I doubt that his wife loves him like you do. What a shame.
     
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  15. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Very well-stated, and I would just add...

    Best Southpaw heavy ever
    Can throw 1000 punches in a fight
    Demonstrated best chin in boxing, as he has never come close to going down
    Shares Muhammed Ali's birthday, height and reach
     
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