Prime Mayweather vs Hagler of the SRL fight?

What excuses?

He overpowered a guy who he deliberately cheated on the scales, who was in his prime when he was at SFW.

A 5’7 guy who possessed a 67” reach.

Amazing!

How does that change what I said?

I said that at the HIGHER WEIGHTS, Floyd only had respectable power.

 

sure you can mention it

but Leonard wasnt actually faded; Norris just made him LOOK faded due to his greater speed

such a shock after witnessing Leonard's masterful, all around great performance vs Duran to settle the score in "The brawl for it all - Uno Mas"

Norris ruined Leonard the way Leonard ruined Duran, setting up the monumental match with Camacho

and even though Hector was much the smaller of the two, that didnt stop Leonard from taking it. Neither did he let losses to Haugen, Trinidad, Chavez or Duran discourage him

This was definitely NOT a fair fight for Leonard

 

How is it an excuse, Einstein?

Floyd was a safety first WW with bad hands.

He wasn’t aggressive.

He wasn’t really offensive in most of his fights.

Yet you’re putting him into the ring with an ATG MW, who was able to go to war if needed. A southpaw with a great chin. A guy who could box, fight and switch stances.

It’s just a horrible match up for Floyd.

There’s nothing wrong with that.

I wouldn’t argue if you said that Floyd was a better fighter than Marvin. I wouldn’t argue at all.

It’s just a bad stylistic match up for Floyd personally.

There’s no bias. It’s just circumstances.

It’s why Floyd breezed by Canelo, but then had a nightmare just 8 months later with Maidana.

Stop being so defensive.

Floyd didn’t have the style to have been favoured over Marvin Hagler at 160 pounds.

Regarding confidence, again, why would you think he’d have taken the fight?

Why would a guy who wouldn’t fight Winky Wright fight Hagler?

Why would a guy who wouldn’t fight Manny in his prime fight Hagler?

The guy was a safety first businessman.

A safety first fighter with bad hands who used an MMA fighter in order to retire undefeated, doesn’t fight ATG MW’s.

Stop being an idiot.

 

That's the spirit. whenever things get difficult and you find yourself becoming frustrated, just call me redrooster

 

first he has confidence issues

Now he has bad hands

It's a wonder he ever won a title

 

Okay.

So: Marvin was shot against Leonard, but also robbed of a victory.

Yet Ray wasn’t faded at all?

Of course Ray was faded.

Ray was faded against Hearns in 1989 and Duran.

Terry Norris was a great fighter. But a bridge too far for Ray at that stage of his career.

Again, by the time he fought Macho, he’d been out 6 years and he was 40-41.

 

This is all that you can reply back with, simply because you aren’t able to refute any of my points.

You haven’t got the intellect to frustrate me.

Only the casual fan logic that baffles me.

 

You make it sound like it’s only an opinion and not a fact.

I have reminded you of who he WOULDN’T fight.

I have posted direct quotes from him.

I have reminded you of the certain stipulations he needed in order to fight certain guys.

No, it’s not a wonder at all.

He was one of the greatest fighters of all time. But he had to be very careful of who he fought and at what times.

He needed Vegas.

He needed IVs.

He needed USADA to turn a blind eye.

He needed CW’s.

He needed to avoid certain fighters etc.

We all know what he did.

 

How about actually answering the points?

 

Mayweather would beat Lennox Lewis.

Lewis would be forced to respect Mayweather's power and go into his shell. From there, Mayweather would potshot his way to victory in typical Mayweather fashion. Where there's a Floyd Mayweather, there is always a way.

 

Tyson too.

Because De La Hoya’s taller.

 

there's always someone out there he didnt fight. They said the same about Roy Jones

It's just a ploy by the haters

the truth is Floyd beat everyone who mattered and WHEN it mattered

 

Deflection? Check

Hyperbole? Check

Reference to "haters"? Check

Congratulations, you pass for a typical Mayweather fanboy.

 

Would you label him top shelf for power red? What level? Bob Foster type power? Terry Norris? Tony Ayala? Frank "Le Animarl" Fletcher? Earnie Shavers? Howard Davis? Jimmy Young?

 

Leonard was far more offensive minded and took more risks.