The four weight bully kings

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Quina74, Nov 28, 2021.



  1. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Too much is being made of the whole weight bully thing. It's a part of the sport especially when it comes to punchers like Lopez. It's simply his game to use his strength and power where it was GK's to use movement and counterpunching.

    Extra weight isn't an advantage for everyone and it certainly wouldn't have helped GK get a better result. Lopez simply got out boxed.
     
  2. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    So, just because I don't agree with your opinion doesn't mean I want things to remain the same. Let me present this in 2 parts.

    Weight bullying: I ask myself, how can this be prevented without causing harm to the fighters. As I mentioned, this is why we have day before weigh ins today. Fighters were not getting fully rehydrated before a fight started and serious injuries occurred and even death. Could there be 2 weigh ins. The day before, were fighters need to make weight and day of, were a fighter cannot weigh no more than 5-10 pounds more than the prior days weight. Sounds good, but will the issue of fighters not getting hydrated well enough occur? For me this isn't a big deal. Any fighter can put themselves through the hell of cutting weight. As long as they do it legal, I don't have a problem. That's just me, but if things changed to prevent it and keep fighters safe, I don't have an issue with it.

    Judging: now days any close fight that doesn't go a fanboys way is called a robbery. Take Loma/Lopez. You actually said Loma won the 2nd and 6th rounds after you slowed the fight down and counted that Loma landed 2 more punches in round 2. Think about that......you had to slow it down to notice a 2 punch difference. Yet fans expect judges to catch that in real time? Not going to happen and Loma was not robbed. Now, just because I don't agree with you on the Loma fight doesn't mean I don't believe judging reform doesn't need to happen. Your way takes too long. My suggestion would be hold judges accountable, keep them honest, make them go over the fight in question with representatives from each fighter and the oversite committee members. Anyone at anytime can stop film and ask direct questions to the judge in the hot seat. If the judging is found to be incompetent the judge will be on probation. If his/her judging is questioned within a 12 month period again they would be suspended for a year and will not judge championship fights for 2 years. If it happens again, they cannot judge fights at any level again.
     
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  3. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Taylor looks very natural at 140. You seem to have a serious issue with Josh, as you diss him on another thread. Did he beat up a favorite of yours?
     
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  4. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, I scored 2 and 6 real time to Loma and later watching back at real time and in slow mo it only further confirmed the case.
    I never suggested my way as the way to go but it's a hell of a lot more accurate than what it is currently
     
  5. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, it's most often advantageous unless the boxer is very limited. There's a reason many of these hypejobs do it..because it benefits them. That extra size gives them extra punch resistance/resilience, extra strength and power and can effectively nullify skill advantages.
     
  6. granth

    granth Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I thought it had been proven over the years that boiling yourself down is a disadvantage in terms of stamina, punch resistance etc. Or maybe I've been following a different sport.
     
  7. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Didnt Davis literally just beat a guy half a foot taller than him in a weight division he never fought at?
     
  8. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes you're following a different sport because that's not the case.. Why would a fighter drain themselves (then subsequently put on 20+lbs) to fight in a smaller division? Please I'd like to know, because it certainly is not to put themselves at a disadvantage. They do it specifically for the advantage of beating on the small guy hence the term weight bully otherwise why not fight guys you're on size without having to drain down.. Because they'd be less impressive and able against people their own size
     
  9. bandeedo

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    you dont know wtf you are talking about. as usual.
     
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  10. granth

    granth Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Makes absolutely no sense, since if it were that simple, everybody would do it and the "small guys" you talk about would simply drop a division or two and do the same thing. Unless you're saying that the bullies are smarter than the small guys, which again makes no sense.
     
  11. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It still takes a whole lot of discipline and dedication to be a proper weight bully.

    A fighter should definitely do that to gain an edge. If that what it takes to be champion.
     
  12. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In MMA I would agree it does but in boxing it is not as effective as a you would think. The MMA guys at my gym do fairly large weight cuts but that is because of the grappling element to their sport where size is a pretty important aspect.

    In boxing, I will acknowledge that having extra weight benefits fighters that are bangers or sluggers which you saw Lopez try to bully GK in the fight last Saturday especially in round one. But it really is not as beneficial as you think. Look at how BHOP use to just take guys apart using his skill. He was never more than a few pounds over his weight class that he was competing in. Same with Mayweather. His walk around weight was only five pounds over.

    The extra weight does not provide punch resistance like you say. I have been involved in this sport my whole life as a competitor first and then a trainer and can assure you that having extra weight does not giving you any additional ability to take a punch.

    In GK's case, extra weight would not have helped him. It was his movement and counterpunching that lead him to victory. In Lopez's case, he lost round after round looking for a knock out while getting completely outboxed. Do you not agree?
     
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  13. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You literally have f all argument, you actually believe the **** that comes out of your mouth
     
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  14. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your whole thing would make sense if it weren't for that different people have different abilities in draining/rehydration. But that's the case, so what you're saying doesn't make sense.
     
  15. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So the all wise bandeedo, why do fighters drain themselves to such weights? Is it because they want the disadvantages of being drained? Because that's what any argument stands on. There's no reason to drain yourself significantly other than to bully other fighters with size.

    You're just an imbecile if you can't comprehend that