Usyk would beat Prime Ali

Look at the success Doug Jones had against Ali. Usyk was better than Jones so he will beat Ali.

 

Don't watch NFL and can't comment. As far as Tennis i agree on some points, as well as the ball have become heavier, and the ball is all around baseline nowadays.
But still Federer will beat every single one of the 60-70 with EASY. Won't be contest at all. Djoko will beat them as well.
Nadal may have problem on faster courts, but he will ***** on every single one of them on Clay big time.
There won't be any contest at all.

Anyone from the 60-70 will be dead last in sprinting nowadays or compare them to Bolt, its ridiculous.
Same with swimming, Basketball, Football and any other sport.

Its naive to believe that only Boxing doesn't develop.

 

In my mind:

Speed: Ali. No question. Just watch footage.

Footwork: Usyk. No question. He doesn't cross his legs like Ali, and frustrates A level boxers to a ridiculous extent with his footwork.

Chin: Hard to say at this point. They were both KOd in amateurs, neither have been/were KOd before getting old. Ali got dropped in his prime, but he wasn't hurt, and he also tended to take more punches than Usyk. Usyk hasn't been KDd as a pro. Edit: Usyk was never actually KOd in amateur, only a namesake. He was only stopped by a mercy rule. So I have to give this to Usyk.

Power: They are both underrated in terms of power, but I have to give it to Ali. He KOd Liston, Foreman, Patterson and Williams. Usyk on the other hand KOd Bellew and nobody else notable.

Overall defense: Usyk, for sure. He gets hit a lot less than Ali.

Stanima: In 12 rounds, it's a tie. Ali could easily bounce for 15 rounds and Usyk has never shown a stanima problem, instead getting stronger and stronger as the fight goes on. They're two of the greatest engines the sport has ever seen.

Heart: Unknown, Ali proved he has tons of heart, and Usyk hasn't yet needed it.

 

And btw look at the strength athletes and their record and compare them to 60-70s.
What was the deadlift, Squad, Press and so on records back in the 60-70s and compare it to nowadays, and you have completely 2 different sports.

Should i even mention weightlifting and Lasha Talakhadze ???
Compare him to anyone on the 60-70s and it's like they are in a different classes .....

 

When exactly was Usyk KOed in the amateur ????

 

He started very fast against his most dangerous fighter, AJ. Look how he handled that power. He was never in trouble, maybe because he was not gonna play with AJ, like he did with Bellew. Fighters have different gameplans and missions when they are in the ring, Usyk said that He had to KO Bellew in front of Brits, that is why he fought like that.

Why are you bringing up Bellew like an example of how Ali would handle Usyk ? They are nothing alike. Just like you guys did against AJ, when you guys said that Bellew hit him in early rounds and AJ would do the same thing.

Who many times Ali was down and how many times Usyk ? Don't tell me that Ali fought more powerfull guys in 60's, just don't.

If Usyk TKO's AJ and then Fury, would you say that he has more power ? Maybe it's his style to fight like that, which is his way of winning.

Not really. Usyk trains for 15 rounds, for 4 minutes each and with 30 seconds to rest.

With defence like Ali's, I think he would be in trouble against usyks style.

Usyk chooses how he gonna fight his opponents, maybe we will see another style of Usyk in the AJ rematch. He said it himself, he can fight with other tools in his hands.

 

Btw, Usyk is born on the same date as Muhammad Ali

 

Actually, I thought he was KOd in the first round, but then I remembered this was media nonsense and just a guy names Oleksandr Usyk. I suppose he was only stopped, not KOd.

I would probably give Usyk the edge in chin with this information.

 

IIRC against Korobov, but that wasn't a TKO. Amateur bouts get stopped when one guy is way ahead on points.

 

I just don't agree with that. Boxing is not like most sports which are highly based on athleticism and conditioning. It incorporates a hell of a lot more skill and brain power than other sports. Ruiz stopped Joshua. It's not like Ruiz is some modern day super athlete and what do you even refer to with evolution ? Boxing basics has been the same for several decades. And Ali is quicker with his hands and feet more than any top heavyweight or cruiserweight i know of today. Pretty athletic if you ask me. Boxing evolved yes but thats when you're comparing modern boxers to boxers from the 1920s


Foreman and Holmes pretty much put a stop to this evolution stuff. You already know what foreman did and lets talk about Holmes. The same Holmes that held his own against a prime Holyfield and schooled Ray Mercer while in his 40s, slower and fat happened to go life and death with a old Ken Norton in his prime. This is the same Ken Norton that fought in the 70s, went pro in the 60s and Ray Mercer gave H2H nightmare Lewis a hard night. Where is the evolution there ? Based on the "evolution of boxing" Ray Mercer should not be getting schooled by a fat middle aged boxer who in his prime went life and death with another past it boxer who fought with the likes of Ali, Young and Foreman

And to top it all off Holmes was 70s Ali's sparring partner. Floyd Patterson was trained by the exact same guy that trained Mike Tyson. These skills transcend generations.

 

Again when and against who exactly he was stopped?
He was down in his amateur against Beterbiev in a body shot. He comeback and wins the round and matches tho.
He was KD in WSB, but it was a low blow, and his opponent admitted that. The referee count it as a KD, but the judges didn't.

 

He was stopped by Matt Korobov due to a mercy rule.

 

It was stopped, because of 20+ points according to some RSCO (Referee Stopping Contest - Outclassed). But there is no footage of this match, and just big talk from someone who is trying to get some fame, as he totally ****** nowadays.
And this was back in middleweight, the guy was 4 years older, and much, much more experienced, and Usyk have been just started in the Amateur.

 

Ali was stopped in the amateurs.

 

Yeah the typical excuse. Boxing is not like the other sport, this is next level b.c.
And if you think the other sports require just physicality, athleticism and conditioning then i don't know ...
Tennis currently is one of the most mental sport out there.

Ruiz stopped Joshua, cause of Joshua going wide open for the stoppage, and get caught big time on the counter. Temple shot, that would put on the ground pretty much everyone, when the receiver is on the front foot swinging hard.
Joshua schooled Ruiz 12-0.

Lewis also lost to Rahman by KO, as well as McCall.
It's not like this were some great operators. Should i even mention Wladimir Klitschko ???

And no Boxing evolved big time compare to 60-70s. Even the 90-20s evolved big time compare to 60-70s.
Back in the day their defense and guards were pathetic. A lot of their tactics as well.
Foreman tactics against Ali was big time dog*****.

Spinks beating Holmes 2x time and was highly competitive, and get stretched in 1 by Tyson .... Where is the evolution you ask

Don't make me laugh.

Going this guy beats that guy, or was competitive with this guy, ain't working in boxing. You also don't take fighter shape and so on.
Also trying to prove your point with beyond average type of boxer of the 90s compare to the elite of 60-70s is a complete joke.