Tyson Fury vs Prime Lennox Lewis

If you watch the fight, you can see Fury dicking around and showing off. At times he stands in front of Cunningham beating his chest lol I'm not saying that Fury would have KOd him in a round if he wasn't messing around....but the point I'm trying to make is that sometimes fighters fight to their perceived level of their opponent (some more than others).

For this reason I don't understand why when talking hypothetical matchups someone would solely focus on the worse nights a fighter has had.

 

I hear ya. For me, when it's a hypothetical, it's the best version of both.

 

Tyson Fury > Lennox Lewis

Fury has size, strength, speed, reflexes, agility, stamina, recovery, confidence, trash talking, ring IQ, skill, stance, unpredictability and unconventionality advantages over every other elite SHW in history, is the most modern athlete, is as strong or stronger in terms of heart, determination, belief and fighting instincts and has a wealth of experience in dealing successfully with radically different body types/styles. Lewis had lots of title defences but Wlad had more and Wilder had more consecutive title defences than any modern HW barring Wlad, so the “defences” argument is irrelevant. Fury's top two dominant wins away from home are better than any win on Bowe, Lewis, Vitali or Wlad's resumes, which is a more accurate test of absolute ability than knocking over a bunch of Frank Bruno's, Shannon Briggs's, Ruslan Chagaev’s and Kubrat Pulev's.

The tall heavies who Lewis went on the offensive against were a cowardly Akinwande, a washed up, coke addicted Biggs coming off a KO loss, a mediocre and chinny Grant and a mental and chinny Golota. He was far less aggressive against Vitali, who was pushing Lewis back in the clinch more often than not despite being the lighter man and excessive aggression against an equal or superior talent results in getting countered and gassing out. Charr beat the 6’8, 279 lbs Ustinov, Donovan Dennis KO’d the 6’8, 256 lbs Cojanu in 2 rounds and Alex Garcia did the same to the 6’10, 284 lbs Mike White but neither Charr, Dennis or Garcia would have any chance against Fury because there are many levels between the giants beyond their superficial similarities.

Lewis was a good inside fighter and so is Fury (Chisora 1, Cunningham, Wallin, Wilder 2, Wilder 3) but Fury is 25 lbs heavier and 3 inches taller with a better engine, a superior chin and incredible powers of recovery. Lewis brawled Chisora-esque Mercer to a draw in a small ring, was marginally outboxed by the poor man’s AJ Frank Bruno over 6 rounds and was clearly outboxed by Vitali over 6 before the cut stoppage. Fury schooled Wlad from the outside, who was faster, better co-ordinated, more experienced and much more powerful than his brother, as well as more athletic, powerful, skilled and intelligent than Lewis according to Manny Steward. In terms of boxing ability from distance it's no contest; Fury is more elusive, balanced, co-ordinated, longer, faster and ambidextrous.

Despite turning pro at 23.75 (to Fury’s 20.33) after around 100 amateur bouts (to Fury’s 35) Lewis couldn't beat 10 of his opponents inside the distance: washed Ocasio, Billups, washed Tucker, McCall 1, Mercer, vegetarian Mavrovic, old Holyfield 1, old Holyfield 2, Tua, Rahman 1 (with approximately half of his 44 opponents being bums and 8 of the 34 he beat inside the distance being 215 lbs or less) he never stopped an opponent after the 8th round and he had less power than Wlad or Wilder, who Fury has proven he can dominate, not just beat.

Lewis never fought a sniper (Wilder x3 away) never fought a southpaw (Wallin) and never fought a 6'3 mover (Cunningham away). He beat some decent plodding maulers in Mercer and Tua and so did pre-prime Fury with Chisora x2 and Hammer but Fury did a far better job. Lewis also beat elite SHW contender Vitali but Lewis was gassed, down on the cards 4-2, did not win conclusively and blatantly ducked the rematch, while undefeated road warrior Fury schooled ATG SHW A-side champion P4P No.2 Wlad 10-2 in Wlad’s backyard as a 7/2 underdog. And if B/C level McCall and Rahman could bomb Lewis out with one punch while shorter, slower and less powerful, a taller, faster and more powerful 10 consecutive defence world champion in Wilder would have an excellent chance. I certainly couldn’t see Lewis coming through three fights with Wilder away and a fight with Wlad away without at least two KO losses and maybe three, particularly if he’d been inactive for 2.5 years and consumed industrial quantities of junk food, booze and coke as his preparation for the first Wilder fight.

Fury wins on points or by late stoppage.

 

Exactly. I know people will always be stupid because that's what people do, but I find it so odd when people discuss hypotheticals in such an obviously bias way.....like 'Lewis that beat Grant would obviously beat Ali, who was dropped by Henry Cooper' or 'Ali that beat Foreman would wreck Lewis who was stopped by Mccall'.
Sure, when comparing legacies losses come into the equation....but for a h2h match up you would think it would be obvious that we are assuming both fighters in question are at their best.

 

"Quite pathetic" is also an extremely concise way of summing up Aydamn and the general manner in which he comports himself on this forum.

Beyond Aydamn's delusion that Fury is ducking Whyte because he's scared of Whyte, there must be a reason for Aydamn's anti-Fury bias. I could be wrong, but it seems racially motivated to me.

 

Hell will freeze over it and a pig will then fly over it long before Aydamn ever gets any common sense.

If he went to an animal shelter, adopted a dog and called it Clue, he'd finally have one.

 

Lol the irony of a Whyte fan calling another boxer stupid! And me too? My man you have literally contradicted yourself in a thread that you created....your obviously not too bright.

Next time you try to create a topic with an obvious agenda behind it, at least try and hide it a little bit genius.

 

Man this is kind of sad. We are just talking about boxing, calm down. It will all be OK.

You are talking about Fury getting dropped by non punchers, despite the fact he had never been stopped. It seems an odd drum to continuously beat over and over again. You are obviously upset that people don't rate Whyte, but just take a minute, take a deep breath, and remember that you don't know Whyte in real life. He is just a guy you watch on TV.

Edit: I was meant to say Wach as the fight Whyte looked terrible in....not Helenius.

 

Your overall attitude appears to be 'well people **** on Whyte in these ways which I think are unfair, so now I'm going to do the same to Fury'

It comes across as very childish. Can I ask you honestly, which of the knockdowns that Fury has suffered in his career had you thinking he was about to go? When has he gotten up looking like 1 punch would end it?