Devin Miles Haney vs. Joseph Pedroza Díaz, Jr. & Jessica McCaskill vs. Kandi Renae Wyatt RBR

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  1. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Backed up all night by a FW :lol: .. Khan written all over him.. that kid is packing class I bet ya… he's just very young quick and athletic & fortunately quite big for the weight .. I don't think it would be a good idea for him to move up in weight.. which will naturally happen for him... that's when he'll start getting sparked LOL.. he's fkin garbage, but the US is so lacking in boxing stars lately they overinflate the abilities of the current crop, that's why he gets so much privilege and air time :lol:
     
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  2. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's it with Haney for me, he's incredibly basic. His punch selection is shockingly limited for someone so supposedly elite.
     
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  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I swear all it takes for some people is a guy showing decent footwork and non-clumsily managing a shoulder roll and they're conditioned to assume he's the most effective man in the ring. Probably by years of Floyd doing all that stuff, and that actually being true. But difference is, he was a) piping in flush pull-counter rights, body jabs, and check hooks at extremely high rates of accuracy and b) didn't usually, unless he was faced with a very skillful offensive-oriented opponent on top form (ie Chino, DLH, Cotton, JLC) get hit with the kind of stupid nonsense that JoJo found Devin with. :deal:
     
  4. VG_Addict

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    Davis would make Haney take a nap.
     
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  5. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His jab is terrible, wow. He makes it seem like it's his best weapon but he's actually really inaccurate with it.
     
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  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    *Cotto. Goddamn autocorrect. :mad:


    (though Eddie "Gun" Cotton, the mid-century light heavyweight - not to be confused with and no relation to Eddie Cotton the referee, who died of Covid last year - in fact was a good offensive fighter :D. Pretty sure Floyd would've never in a million years stepped in with him, though..)
     
  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    It is his best weapon, and it's a 'show' jab. He's better at concealment and diversion than at clean effective scoring.
     
  8. FrankinDallas

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    A band I played with did a gig with James Cotton...

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  9. Drew101

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    I'd say the straight right to the body was his most consistent weapon last night. The jab was show, but Diaz is a southpaw who operates behind a tight guard. You aren't gonna get a lot of business done with the jab against someone like that. But the straight right downstairs was what won him the fight.
     
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  10. George Crowcroft

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    I thought last night was a big improvement from Haney. Diaz did about as well as I expected him to; good work in spots but too small to truly impose himself. Haney's work here was good. He set about walking Diaz back from the start - although it wasn't something he stuck with like glue - and worked the body well. He stood in the pocket and made Diaz miss. He showed he was fast with good feet and is savvy counter-puncher. The jab was less dominant here than it was in the Linares fight, and when hurt here, he showed he wouldn't just ***** out and run. He fought back. He's becoming a lot less like Mayweather, and is becoming more of his own fighter. Something which I think is key to him remaining near the top level.

    I think these last two fights show Haney has a lot of skills he can use. He can jab well against a taller man, work a good overhand and work the body against a shorter man, and knows how to tie him up and bring things to a standstill should he need to. It isn't pretty, but it gets it done.

    He also just confirmed last night what everyone suspected. He has zero power, and his chin seems pretty shaky.
     
  11. Serge

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    Yes. Problem is most fans find that style boring and don't want to watch someone potshotting their way to a UD over undersized leprechauns they're way bigger than and fighters well past their sell by date. The ''Pretty Boy'' version of Floyd was actually good to watch and even the ''Money'' version of later years was better to watch than Haney IMO and, in complete contrast to Haney, his opponents were often bigger than him and he wasn't getting wobbled and hurt by kangaroo arm leprechauns

    Jojo, ever so predictably, struggled to get inside the much bigger man's reach and the fact the ref allowed Haney to stiff-arm him all night made it much harder for him to do so too

    Even Victor Conte can't help him develop that ''man strength'' lol

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  12. ShovelHook

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    He does seem to use it well, don't get me wrong, but he's still really goddamn inefficient with it if that's all he's able to land clean. Even when using it to simply set up other shots you can land a nice clean jab or two in a combo ffs.
     
  13. The Akbar One

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    Is it me or has Haney's defense gotten worse since they brought in Davison?
     
  14. George Crowcroft

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    His opposition has improved.
     
  15. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    Haney

    Pros =

    Flashy - check
    Hand speed - check
    Foot speed - check
    Ability to box off the front & back foot - check
    Fluid combinations - check (it is beautiful to watch at times. Early in the Linares fight I thought he boxed very well)
    Willingness to trade - check
    Work to the body - check. This was a key to victory last night. The straight right to Diaz's gut was what kept Diaz from rushing in.

    Cons =

    Defence - for a very slick, fast fighter, he is easy to find.
    Lack of power - being easy to hit means he needs something to nullify the offence of the other fighter. He has pop, but not the power to keep a full-weight, power puncher honest.
    Chin - very suspect. Out on his feet against Linares (who can punch - I must add), but being hurt on more than one occasion against Diaz raises additional doubt about his whiskers.
    Body - if a relatively mediocre puncher in Diaz was able to hurt him, imagine what a good body puncher would do (Garcia).
    Recovery - 3+ minutes to recover against Linares? And last night he was countered over and over after being hurt to the body
    Arrogance - Haney feels like he has to prove himself. As a boxer (not a puncher), he should focus on 12 round fights. Trading with light punchers is fine, but as he moves up his competition he is going to need discipline. Combining his willingness to trade + a suspect chin, there is a disaster moment waiting to happen. When hurt, he prefers to reassure the other fighter he wasn't hurt, instead of focusing on getting himself back on track.

    Question marks =

    Competition - to this point, it really has been below the bar. Being hurt and at times exposed against this level of competition does add a question mark against the other big names in the division. Linares is a great fighter, but he was Gamboa spec by the time he fought Haney.
    Discipline - From memory, Haney was warned 6 times for punching low. Do that against Tank or the likes, he will get a point taken.

    As a boxer, I rate Haney. Regardless of his distinct lack of power, I think he is exciting to watch. He has enough pop/snap in his punches to make fights fun, but I feel he is a KO waiting to happen. Someone above mentioned Khan, which is exactly what I get from Haney.

    I feel if he walked onto a big shot from Davis, Garcia or Kambosos, he is going to sleep.

    Also, it's worth mentioning the Lomachenko fight. From what we've seen in his last 2 outings, what would stop Lomachenko from landing combinations on Haney? Haney doesn't offer enough power to keep Lomachenko from coming forward. If he tries to rip to the body like he did against the slower Diaz, he will be tattooed around the head.

    Personally, I think Lomachenko is a horrible matchup for Haney.
     
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