Joshua James William "The Tartan Tornado" Taylor: can anyone survive whirlwind of Prestonpans' path?

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Maybe even there, he's just being overzealous. Hell... I've liked several tweets that I don't entirely agree with 100%, but because it was in the ballpark of agreeing with me and I liked the sentiment. Newsflash, I don't agree with Ted Cruz or Lauren Boebert all that much, but I've still liked several of their tweets.:sisi1
     
  2. Chuck Norris

    Chuck Norris Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Prograis arguably could have gotten the nod against Taylor if the fight wasn't in the UK. Matias and Zepeda have the power to get Taylor's respect, Matias has the physicality and work rate to back him up.

    For Ponce I agree. To be honest I don't have such a high opinion of him and dunno why I added him.

    Porter gave problems to Crawford and Spence, but people exaggerate how good he did - even without the late KD Spence outboxed him and sorry IB, but the 88-83 for Porter is ridiculous. Crawford was outmaneuvering him for most of the fight soundly.

    At this point both Spence and Crawford should be the favorites over Taylor. I'm not saying he can't beat them, he definitely can.
     
  3. Chuck Norris

    Chuck Norris Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Matias and Zepeda have the chance to upset Taylor - although both lack the all roundness Taylor has and thus Taylor would be the favorite. Taylor can beat the top guys at welterweight.
     
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  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    :nonono It was spot on. You're giving Crawford way too much credit that he doesn't deserve. Still not sure what that impulse is with boxing fans. It doesn't matter what the fighter is doing in terms of making plans for later in the fight, with little jabs to the body or walking them into counters to wear them down late. If they aren't doing enough to win the rounds, they're not winning them. Also, what if that strategy doesn't pay off? That means you've given someone a ton of credit for an ineffective strategy that didn't pay off. Similar **** happened with the Tank/Cruz and Haney/JoJo matches, people were giving Tank and Haney credit for virtually everything, whether it was effective and accurate or not. Because most of the time, people are in the headspace of "well, the officials judges will shade that one to the A-side." Who cares though? Who actually won the round is what matters. All that bull**** noise in your head about this that or the other, needs to be ruthlessly shutdown, it's irrelevant. The only thing that matters is punches landing to the body and head. :deal:
     
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  5. Chuck Norris

    Chuck Norris Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not saying Crawford dominated the fight through out, it was certainly competitive and I had 5-4 in favor of Crawford. It's just Crawford was never in any real trouble against Porter. Crawford controlled the clinch when Porter tried to rough him up, consistently landed the check right hook and in the end managed to stop Porter, albeit in dubious circumstances because of the ****** Kenny Porter.
     
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  6. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Is he anti-vaccine… Or just pro-choice, pro-Nuremberg code, pro bill of rights & pro universal rights act et cetera… You know, informed consent and bodily autonomy… I don't think it's unreasonable to question a product that the manufacturers are exempt from any liability for.. especially when those manufacturers have been paying out billions in lawsuits year upon year for violating the false claims act et cetera.. to each his own, if you want to take the vaccine fine that's your choice… If it works why worry about those that don't want it? Maybe you can tell us all what your favourite vaccine ingredient is IB :lol:.. all the good stuff… Can't wait…or maybe explain why ppl that have taken it are still getting Covid LOL.. like this NHL team:

    [url]https://www.newsweek.com/nhls-ottawa-senators-forced-halt-season-after-covid-protocols-take-out-10-players-1650048[/url]

    LOL.. i'm with Josh, I'll hang fire & wait out the side-effects you lot start getting first & then make an informed decision rather than rushing with an experimental vaccine that bypassed all usual timeline safety protocols. Enjoy your two shots & your regular booster though. One day you might actually be 'fully vaccinated' LOL
     
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  7. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who cares what his beliefs are? Matter of fact the lockdown bull**** hasn't worked and has gotten way out of hand. One only has to look at the depraved country of Australia, now a totalitarian state.
     
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  8. drenlou

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    Nobody at 140 can beat him. His only chances of losing are against the Elite at 147. But before he leaves the 140 division id like to see him give Zepeda a shot.
     
  9. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Right now Taylor is The Man at 140, until proven otherwise. Perhaps that hurts some posters feelings but it is what it is.
     
  10. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would favor Crawford against him though I really want to see that fight. I think in a year or two Ortiz Jr would win but would favor Taylor if the fight happened today. About the same for Ennis.

    Taylor would be a big WW and not the smallest JMW but I will be curious to see how he does there because he wouldn't have the same size advantage he has enjoyed.

    None of the LWs have a chance, maybe if Teofimo could be aged 4-5 years he could do it (maybe).

    Oh why did you show me this? Oh well, if I stopped liking people I disagreed with I wouldn't be posting here for one thing.

    I don't go to public health experts for boxing opinions and I don't go to boxers for their policy opinions.

    As long as they don't go into the conspiracy/scam business then they just have bad opinions, we all do.

    I still maintain Crawford was doing the better work, grading only on clean effective punches. I too hate when fights are scored based on success in deploying the expected tactics, "he's supposed to move but he's in the corner he must have lost" is a very weird but common perspective.

    It's a longstanding problem because of his posture and how he throws his rear hand it doesn't get captured well by ESPN camera angles.

    There was a whole body attack effort from Crawford that were barely visible but had a substantial effect.
     
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  11. theanatolian

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    I usually enjoy IB’s long fighter analysis, but this is way overboard. First, Taylor vs both Prograis and Postol were close and competitive fights, the one against Prograis was close enough that Taylor could’ve easily been on the wrong end of the decision if he was the visitor instead of the home fighter, so him only losing a handful of rounds doesn’t make sense. He beats anyone at 140 but I’d make him a clear underdog against Crawford, and would have to favour Spence over him until I see Taylor at 147. For him vs Ortiz, Ennis and Butaev, time will tell.
     
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  12. KO KIDD

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    I'd like to see a Prograis rematch before he moves up. That was a very good fight and pretty close, I think Prograis could certainly learn and improve upon the performance.

    Taylor is a very good fighter, I'd still have him the dog vs Spence and Crawford but maybe not Ugas or anyone else
     
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  13. StussyBrownnn

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    I posted awhile back that i had him over crawford by a tad bit, and i stand by that, but i know that one is a tough fight tbh. But i do agree that he should be favored against anyone else at 140-147. Spence pre injury would have been good but porter roughing him kinda showed since of weakness, and we all know the Tartan Tornato is one rough mofo. Ugas to me is light work for josh, hes the much better boxer and the one with better power. I would like to see a prograis rematch, i had taylor 115-114, in what is one of my favorite technical fights to rewatch. Ramirez definitely won some rounds late, but thats because josh boxed and "coasted" after the 2 knockdowns. Zepeda on the other had, imo lacks the chin and is a bit too easy to hit, Josh would pick his shots right and drop zepeda more than once, if he doesnt finish him completely. Tank, well first he wont take a fight against josh, and second his chin is suspect and isnt as good as josh. IF, AND ITS A BIG IF, Lopez is able to turn things around, i would watch that fight. A motivated lopez has the speed and the power to keep just about anybody honest, unfortunately he isnt a good enough boxer to mix it up with a bigger and rougher taylor.

    He was 2 advantages over everyone except crawford, skill and grit. There are very few, if any, boxers rn who are as skilled as him, and his sneaky power, he lands nasty shots with pinpoint accuracy. Of course i do believe that crawford is just as good if not better than Josh as a boxer, and obviously has the power, if not more, as well. Grit wise, josh is borderline dirty, he literally does everything it takes to win. Hes a rough guy who will try to exploit every bit of advantage he can get.
     
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  14. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    On the idea of Josh going up, I was quite struck by the fact that when he was doing some punditry for Sky on the Usyk vs Joshua fight, he was next to Chris Eubank, and if anything Taylor looked a bit bigger - I always thought he had a skinny frame, but Josh is a big guy for 147, never mind 140, certainly enough to be competetive with anyone in that division.

    I'd love to see the Crawford fight, though I think TTT would be wise to take at least one acclimitisation fight, although I'm not sure it's in his nature to mess around. I think the Ugas fight would be a good one for him to try and make on the basis of Undisputed going up being made mando.

    Although Josh has some stellar attributes, I think his best attributes are the intangibles - spite, grit, will to win & heart. That's why I think the Crawford fight could be an absolute classic - 2 spiteful guys ain there with high IQ, but mean intentions and the desire to rumble.

    Those would be the things I think that - at least today - put him above Ennis & Ortiz, although those dudes both look legit IMO.
     
  15. timeout

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    You dont live in the Uk do you butt?

    We have one of the most inept governments running this country.

    So i dont blame him not trusting anything that comes out of the No10.

    I wouldnt call those tweets irresponsible. Just realistic of how the public is feeling.