Carlos Monzon Vs Hearns - Is This The Worst, Fight At Middle For Tommy?

BTW, do you guys have any idea what Rodrigo Valdez would have done to Tommy Hearns????

 

Rodrigo Valdes would have kayoed Hearns easier than Bad Bennie Briscoe in May 1974.

 

Yes, he's in the minority all right...but at least he's consistent.....consistently wrong.

 

Hearns would have the legs of a baby giraffe struggling to stand up if Valdez were to tag him.

 

Excellent post very sensible, well thought out and balanced. Absolutely Hearns would give Monzon unprecedented problems early. This is pretty obvious. In the long haul however i think your perceived outcome would be the most likely.

 

I'm not going to get into the mud with the insults with you. And your fanatical rantings about what OTHER fighters did against Hearns are a huge indicator of how big your blinders are on Monzon. But if you want to go their of all the the many big fights Briscoe lost, the only one everyone thought he won was against Monzon in Argentina. You want to talk about out boxing? Let's start with how 2 short, well past their primes and natural welterweights consistently were able to out jab Monzon and cross his repeatedly dropped jab with a good right cross.
You bring up what Hagler did to Hearns, but how many Hagler level fighters did Monzon face?
And Is Barkley that much worse than Briscoe? And what you don't want to acknowledge is Barkley carried his firepower all the way up to heavyweight , how many of Monzon's opponents could every dream of fighting at the heavyweight limit? And you've said it yourself styles make fights. So when did Monzon fight in ANY FIGHT against any opponent with the aggression those two men were capable of? That's right he never did .
It's very telling in my opinion how though I wrote multiple times on this subject I believe Monzon beats Hearns but it wouldn't be until the later rds when his superior durability and endurance should enable him to eventually grind Hearns down, you're so so stuck on him destroying Hearns in Hagler like fashion that you've completely ignored that and , forgot something that you wrote , and that Styles make fights.
Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson both beat Berbick. But did they do it in the same fashion?
Why must in your mind Monzon must be able to defeat Hearns the same way Hagler, and Barkley beat him? Does that in your mind somehow indicate that would make Monzon a lesser fighter?
Why with some of you rabid and venomous Monzon fans any different opnion is seen as some insult? That leads you to comments like your comment of "Geez" ....people are clueless ".
When you make a comment like that, it makes me wonder have you actually watched the man fight? Or are your opnions based on highlight reels and glowing bits of info written by sports writers from Argentina.
I've watched multiple fights of his in their entirety. While I see a few strength where he could exploits Hearns weaknesses, I see quite a few weaknesses a fighter like Hearns could and would exploit.
It's called being a fan of the sport in itself as opposed to a fan of a certain fighter.
Take the blinders off, stop watching highlight reels and watch the fights themselves, Monzon had many weaknesses, like Any fighter.
He was not unbeatable. Far from it .
I can think of at least 10 fighters that would give him pure hell, and a few of them would beat him outright.

 

I think you could make a strong case for Tommy to win this fight

Posters here are playing Tommy cheap

If Marvin were not as versatile and tenacious as he was, Tommy would have won

someone here said "can you imagine what Rodrigo Valdez would have done to Tommy"

all the while forgetting that he could not handle the height and jab of Monzon, and Monzon did not have the speed and power of Hearns

They say Monzon was a better middleweight than Tommy and they are right

Kalambay was a better middleweight and championship caliber fighter than Michael Nunn, had better wins than Mike

but that still didnt prevent Mike from acing him.

Monzon doesnt have any glaring weaknesses but he is strictly a long range fighter and no inside game

and if you cant get in on Hearns, you wont beat him (as Duran found out)

 

This is an assertion that doesn't pop up a lot around here. I used to think Hearns actually hurt Hagler a couple of times early on, but after having watched that video closely dozens of times it looks to me as if the worse Tommy did was stop him in his tracks once (maybe twice, not convinced on that). I don't think Hagler actually got "hurt" even once. Hearns landed a couple of bombs, but didn't really seem to phase him inordinately.

Looked to me like the deck was stacked against Hearns from roughly the first minute, minute and a half of the first round on.

Just my views, all respect to others. Hearns didn't stand a chance, he tried to punch it out with a full fledged middleweight puncher and the outcome became obvious well in advance.

 

Monzon was the greater middleweight. Otherwise this is a fight he shouldn't take. Hearns style would mark the end of Carlos reign. Tommy would control the outside with his superior speed and power would make Monzon respect him.
Carlos had a good chin but I'm hard pressed to picture him doing what Hagler did going balls to the wall. That wasn't him. The tables would be turned in a sense and Monzon wouldnt be able to dictate to Hearns..
The way I see it is Monzon's punches would be easy for Hearns to see from his vantage point 6-2 and remember Hearns had great speed, blazing hands.
Now Hearns may lose the title to somebody else but Carlos should avoid this one.

Hearns TKO 10th round.

 

Yeah, Monzon sure wouldn't be able to replicate what the great Iran Barkley did and what James Kinchen nearly did. You guys are dreaming.

 

He hurt Hagler in the opening seconds. The right hand he drilled Marvin with would have knocked out a steer. Hagler was a special human being. No knock on Monzon, he was the greater middleweight. I don't know that he wouldn't stay hit by a punch like that.

 

This is the wrong former Welterweight for Monzon to toy with. Unlike Griffith or Napoles this guy can reach him and hurt him. Your stuck on the names and not seeing how the styles probably would play out.

 

Barkley caught Tommy, and sent him tottering, then nailed him into the canvas and he was never the same fighter again

His chin wasnt the same

but Monzon is a control conscious fighter without the bestial style of a Hagler or Barkley and would get picked apart by the much sharper Hearns

Even John Thomas knows this is not a good matchup for Monzon.

 

This is about MW and MW only ...We can revisit this if you want since its been a couple of years ... At first your opinion on Monzon was that, and you say it a lot, that he fights only blown up welters .. And mcvey and some others educated you on that and negated that myth ... Then you tried to say that Monzon only fought cab drivers when he started out his career ... But again, little did you know that Monzon was actually a big under dog when he started out in the vast majority off his fights .. So the myth that there wasnt tough boxing going on at Luna Park around Brusa, and his 14 world champions is not the case.. Saddler and Moore spent a lot of time there as well .. Then it went on from there from others that well Monzon has 9 draws so he cant be that good.. But again, South American boxing rules were that you need to win by at least 3 points on a card or it was deemed a draw .. You seem to have a problem with sports writers from outside the US? How shallow of a statement is that? whats wrong with researching and learning from the people who were around Monzon from the beginning ... we can go on and on .. you seem to be so critical and passionate about all these flaws Monzon has and you want to pick apart his boxing( if you want to be the guy to say how all these other " smaller" boxers with no power out boxed Monzon (briscoe, griffith, and Valdez wasnt known as a big puncher and how Monzon didnt take big shots in his career ,, thats all you, go for it ,) But yet no one was able to crack the code even when given more than one chance at it you seem to fail to realize that hearns also had a height and reach adv he usually enjoyed .. ..How many Hagler level fighters did Monzon face you asked?, ZERO .. and its the same answer if asked in reverse ..so it means nothing ... Now on to Hearns ,, I'm sticking to MW and fighters from there because thats the point of this ... and you want to make this big case for Hearns at MW vs Monzon , which was tried twice before with Hagler and Barkley and he got smoked , plain and simple and there are reasons for it ...

You seem to think that this is irrelevant? This is the ENTIRE argument. Hearns' performances at MW when he stepped it up in competition .. and Ive heard it all before .. How Hearn's was " supposed " to be this big threat to Hagler and breeze thru Barkley ... and I'm going to tell you why he didnt imo and why imo he would have the same problem with Monzon. 1) Hearns for 7 years went up and down in weight, all over the map, from jr MW to L HVy , back down to mw ,, and every where and in between , , incredibly hard on the body and he wasnt settling in at one weight for long periods of time .. and at MW, his legs and strength just werent all there 2) Hearns was his worst enemy in ditching a game plan . .he was a bad ass and just wanted to KO you out of there .. instead of sitting back and picking his shots using his advantages .. 3) and the most important ,, at MW against these stronger men, and he would have the same problem with Monzon ,, they took his power(Hagler, Barkley Sutherland) and Hearns had hand problems fracturing his rt in 2 places in one fight , and completely folding his rt early on in another ...,.. So all though it looks good on paper for Hearns vs Monzon as it did vs Hagler and Barkley ,, thats just not the reality of it ... Hearn's wasnt this great MW knocking everyone out as he did at lower weights .. The fact is at MW vs Monzon ..hearns would be giving up strength, legs, STAMINA, DISCILINE, Ring IQ , and his hand problems hitting stronger men ....I think Monzon will be patient , establish the distance, Hearns will come at some point want to trade and get countered effectively to the body , and eventually weaken and gas ..

Dont see your point in this? as it was Hearns who forced the issue here and initiated it, ditching his advantages, and getting smoked ,, seems to me it didnt bode well for him... again if he tried that with Monzon
Valdez came forward plenty and traded with Monzon since you asked
You seem to have made this big case for Barkley as he was 1-4 in MW title fights. He lost all his big fights except to yours truly