Carlos Monzon Vs Hearns - Is This The Worst, Fight At Middle For Tommy?

This is the more realistic outcome....Monzon always fought at his measured pace and his strategy rarely ever changed he was a cool headed thinking mans fighter

 

I'm a big fan of both fancy Carlos over the 15 with maybe a late stoppage.

Over 12 I would still have Carlos winning maybe 7 to 5 rounds.

I certainly don't think it would be like the Hagler fight with an early blowout.

Carlos was a cool customer and would break guys down but would be a great compeitive fight.

 

Monzon would make Hearns look terrible.

I don't know what Hearns has to offer here.

 

what does Monzon have to offer?

Explain to me what he offers that Hearns doesn't?

Hearns matches him in height

exceeds him in reach

betters him significantly in the speed department

Right hand power goes to the Hitman

Is Monzon expected to OUTJAB Hearns?

Would he outfight him on the inside???

That can't happen either because Monzon cant fight on the inside; that's why he always keeps opponents at a distance. But here, Tommy can match Monzon on the outside

HOW is he going to beat the young Hitman? Nobody KNOWS!!

NOBODY has explained the reasoning behind their prediction, and simply dismiss the idea of getting hurt "Oh no, THAT would never happen! If Marvin took it, Monzon would likewise shrug it off"

If he cant crowd Tommy, and he's not a huge puncher, he cant win on the inside

and from the outside, he's up against someone who is much faster, and sharper than him and can get him in trouble in the blink of an eye.

 

What r u talking about? I don't even like Norris? How is this even relevant? What is your point.

 

It's a myth that Monzon simply won by virtue of heighth and reach. He controlled distance with his footwork and timing.

Watch McGregor vs. Mendes and Alvarez... then watch him against Diaz and Cerrone. Conor definitely benefits when he's the taller/longer figher, but it's not esssential to his control of distance. Same with Monzon.

Monzon won't stay in front of Tommy's jab. And it's fallacious that Hearns was some master-boxer. The Kronk style is all about imposing size, and Tommy won't be able to do that here.

Monzon isn't a convention defense-first Boxer, and Tommy is eventually going have to break character and push the action.

Iran Barkley more than Marvin Hagler showed what happens when Hearns can't apply his M.O.

 

Judges in Argentina had it by 2 points? Of course they would, they were in Argentina. Others thought the opposite and said so. Home town/country dec?
I don't know where the Duran references came from when I've repeatedly said Duran in my opinion is one of the top ten greatest fighters in history. At any weight.
Again as I have with Monzon, I've watched Duran since his lightweight days. recognized his greatness well before the Montreal fight. In fact though I favored Leonard , I was one of the few in my neighborhood who gave Duran a chance.

Montreal just confirmed it for me. Everthing after, like Moore, Barkley, even the Hagler loss was just gravy for the turkey.
Monzon isn't in the same stratosphere as Duran was in my opinion.
As I've said I have much respect for your opinions and post. Just not on this topic. I don't see what you seem to see.
Have a good night my friend.

 

Best Mw finisher since Robinson.

 

Let's be fair, Monzon didn't have a flashy style and he appeared to often simply dial-it-in. Brisoce, conversely, was the crowd's darling everywhere he went. That's the Philly fighter everyone wants.

Monzon was too good for his own time.

Just look at his composure and footwork.

 

Hearns was a case of fighting smart or being reckless. His biggest weakness was himself. He didn't seem to think at times about his stamina. He just had a gear where he wanted to knock guys out and then he ran out of gas. I never understood that type of action. Using his jab and setting up his punches and conserving his legs for his style would have even been greater than he was... And he was a legit all time great.. One of the best ever in my mind just on his resume and ease with how he knocked out some solid champions.

 

Good point.

I think the Kronk System was still a work in progress. He was also regularly fighting spectacular competition. Leonard and Hagler are once-in-a-generation fighters.

I also think Hearns never really filled out properly since Manny was always trying to keep him lean to maximize his height/reach advantage. But then you see how Lewis and Fury have been beefed out. They are Heavyweights, so it's different. But do Leonard and Hagler beat the Hearns that beat Virgill Hill or won a Cw strap? Obviously Hearns was no longer a P4P great any longer, but it demonstrates Hearns could carry way more mass than he brought into the ring in his best years.

Maybe if he were Monzon's contemporary he would have had a career more similar to Monzon? Many years on the fringe building up experience before finally filling out into his Middleweight frame and taking the world by storm. Just a thought.

 

Irony and sarcasm are lost on you.

 

I think

Of course it does, especially when it has absolutely no revelance to the topic.

 

Maybe my response was unsatisfactory. But Monzon doesn't stay put, and he picks odd angles and appears to step too far out of range. That'll work jsut as well against Tommy as it did against Emile, who was in a much better position to reset.

What do you consider Hearns' best performance? Can you think of a fight where he did NOT get tagged?

 

Tommy rarely got tagged by Benitez

Doesnt Benitez count? He's an all time great himself who would, like Monzon, outbox his opponent

The only time he wound up getting beat was when he went up against someone who was faster, like Leonard, and Hearns

He beat Duran but notice that against faster fighters, he didnt win?

against Tommy, Monzon would be up against someone taller, greater reach, faster, and with better power

This isnt small little Valdez or robotic, slow footed Briscoe

even the slick Hugo Corro, easily outpointed Valdez. Not once, but TWICE

Monzon just never went up against really talented fighters like Hearns and while he had the footwork, Monzon could not match Tommy's speed

but, Tommy CAN match Monzon in foot speed, and everything else other than late round stamina

but it wouldnt go to the late rounds because Tommy's sneaky fast right hand, would ruin him. Tommy follows up and gets his quick KO