Tommy Morrison vs. Joe Louis

I mean if you wanna put your name on that comment OK... You do you. But have you seen their Heavyweight fights?

 

His chin let him down when he got tired, but you had to catch it with something big. Did Louis hit THAT hard? I am sure you think so, but I don't know. Mercer and Rudduck were much larger than Louis and really loaded up on their punches. Lewis, too.

I get it, Morrison was hard on the eyes and Louis was exquisite, but there's a serious disparity in size and athleticism. You're cherry-picking moments Morrison's career when he was at his worst. Those moments regularly surfaced, sure. But only after he dished out hellacious ass whoopings - ones I am not sure Louis would survive.

Also, you're convinced Louis was faster than he was. Schmeling looked like he had died and someone forgot to tell him. Conn stood right in front of Louis, he wasn't on his bike like a Camacho or Leonard. Foreman, even at that age, was exceptional at cutting off the ring. He found Moorer, but couldn't get hold of Morrison.

 

Yes I have. Spinks held his won against a half of famer in Holmes, twice. Spinks also picked apart Cooney who isn't far off from Morrison in overall ability if we're being brutally honest.

Ditto for the John Ruiz that Roy Jones decisioned. Ruiz has a good chance of beating any version of Morrison. It would probably be a close fight.

 

1) Louis doesn't need to load up for one big shot. His clinical accuracy, shirt explosive combinations, and timing would break Morrison down if one shot couldn't. Morrison was neither very durable nor hard to hit. He fought like a belligerent trailer park boy at a bowling alley 80% of the time.

Look at this and tell me Louis has a hard time landing on him:

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2) cherry picking? Ruddock is Morrison's 2nd best win, easily, right after running from a fat 40 year old. He was in his prime when Mercer destroyed him. What other good moments should we look at? Destroying a washed up Thomas in 1 round who offered zero resistance? He just wasnt that great. Let's not even talk about the Bennt disaster.

3) there isn't a "huge" size disparity. Louis and Morrison were basically the same height with the same reach. Morrison was about 15 lbs heavier on average, and while that's mostly muscle, it wasn't enough to just bring strength and power to beat Louis. The similarly sized Max Baer got destroyed. Carnera, Simon, and Buddy were all much larger than Morrison and Louis was not bothered by it. If Morrison was some sort of elite skilled fighter then the slight size difference would actually be a factor but he's not.

4) con and especially Walcott both had way better footwork than Morison and used it consistently throughout their careers (as opposed to Morrison doing it for one fight). Louis went 4-0 against them. Morrison's half assed lateral movement he showed only once wouldn't be enough, and he didn't have the stamina to avoid Louis the whole night.

 

he is picking moments cause he knows tom was harder to hurt then joe

and joe didnt hit that hard
tom moved better then anybody joe fought and hit way harder its obvious he would be way to much for joe

glass is a known legend for trolling and saying bull

pick the lw who stuggled to hit conn max and others and thinks he beats a real hw who moves good only a crazy person thinks that

 

How did Spinks-Tucker go?

Which Heavyweight did Jones beat after Ruiz?

I appreciate your effort, but I am good to keep doing this all day.

 

He's making some ridiculous comments, but I do respect his position.

I looked it up, and I was shocked to see how close in size Louis and Morrison are. Morrison is marginally taller/rangier. But the real difference is the weight advantage and musculature - thanks to PEDs.

In Louis' era, Morrison would be an usher.

I do appreciate your efforts to wash away the nostalgia, though. Some folks really heap it on.

 

Spinks didn't fight Tucker.

Jones didn't fight any other heavyweights

This thread isn't about either one of them. If you want to discuss Morrison vs spinks or Jones, go ahead and make a thread.

Louis beats the cocaine and bowling alley beer out of Morrison and stops him in 6 or less.

 

You know the whole point of using footage is to SUPPORT your point, not argue against it, right?

Sorry, couldn't resist. Forgive me.

But seriously, Ruddock was massive. Much bigger than Louis. You're right, Morrison is only bigger than Louis because of roids. But the punch that floored Morrison was bigger than anything that put down Louis. Braddock's only hope of hitting that hard would be by dropping a bowling ball on your foot. Ruddock really loaded up on that shot. Tommy got right back up and took over the fight. Louis wouldn't be able to deal with that pressure and power. Godoy's pressure troubled him. Farr took it to him for 15.

2) Ruddock is a 90's era HW. Louis is a 30's era heavyweight - when Middleweights could still bulk up and contend for the title.

3) Morrison is a lot heavier and fought men much bigger than himself. If you matched Simon with Morrison you'd be charged with homicide. Please show me a 90's era title challenger as bad as Carnera, Baer, Simon or Mauriello. Which Heavyweight challenger from the 90s would you pick Conn to beat?

4) Benitez had better footwork than Hearns. Holmes had better footwork than Spinks. Foreman, technically, had better footwork than Holyfield.

Louis ain't catching Morrison, my man.

My apologies if anything I said came across offensive, it was never meant to.

 

oh.... you don't say....

 

How many times does he hit the deck doing it? He was floored... what... twice by Galento?

How do you lose to an old Max Schmeling and become GOAT?

 

1) where do you keep getting this "massive" talking point from? Ruddock was one inch taller than Louis. Mercer was the same height. Bennt had one inch. Morrison himself was virtually the same height and reach. Do you think it's difficult for an experienced pro boxer to land on a guy with the same height and reach as him?

Weighing a lot doesn't have anything to do with height, reach, or accuracy. Louis had far better hand speed and accuracy than any of the boxers I mentioned who landed tons of heavy artillery on Morrison. Ruddock was extremely sloppy and limited who usually relied heavily on his left and neglected his right. Louis is going to be throwing accurate sizzling blows with both hands. The video definitely supports the idea Louis could land on Morrison who clearly didn't have good defense. In case you didn't notice, Morrison has a very brutal 1st round KO loss to a nobody as well.

Louis got dropped by very vicious hooks from Galento and Walcott and won both fights. Louis also got dropped by the 240+ Buddy Baer and won the fight.

2) was Louis a middleweight who bulked up? Not at all. Did Louis fight plenty of large natural heavies such as the Baer brothers, Carnera, etc? Yes. Ruddock would only have a punchers chance with his sloppy style and poor stamina. If you want to discuss Louis vs Ruddock, make another thread.

3) the 90's had it's fair share of mediocre heavyweights such as Cooper, Stewart, Smith, etc. Way off topic once again.

You do realize that it's a lot harder to catch a smaller man who can move like conn than to tag a huge heavyweight whose weight makes him slower?

4) Morrison is not boxing circles around Louis. Not in real life and not in a video game. I repeat, the only time he ever demonstrated sensible lateral movement was against a slow fat 40 year old. If you think Louis would have more trouble with Morrison's footwork than he did with Walcott then I have to seriously question your ability to watch analyze fights.

Nothing you said has offended me. I think this is a hilarious match up honestly. I'm just glad someone is debating the issue for Morrison without typing like a 6th grade drop out.

 

He was floored once, he was caught off guard. The fight is free on YouTube. No offense, but you should probably watch it before criticizing Louis.

Ali was caught off guard and was dropped by the mediocre journeyman Henry Cooper. Lewis was knocked out by McCall who retired with double digit losses and wasn't known for much besides being a Tyson sparring partner. Wladmir was KOd in 2 rounds by sanders.

And Morrison was brutally KOd in 1 round by the complete nobody Michael Bennt who had 10-1 record. I'm sure that's far more embarrassing than a brief flash knockdown in a fight you won.

Louis was still a rookie when he lost to Schmeling and it was his first loss. Schmeling was a very intelligent veteran who used an excellent game plan. Because boxing is more than just who has the biggest muscles and can hit hard. There's a reason Schmeling won and large heavy hitting ex champions like Baer and Carnera lost.

And it's funny you call a 30 year old Schmeling an old man, but you ignore the fact Morrison's best win was a 40 year old man!

 

The disparity between Ruddock and Louis is greater than the size disparity between Louis and Conn. Conn really wasn't a full blown Light Heavyweight. He could have launched an ATG career at Middleweight, but he opted to pursue Heavyweights. Incredible, but totally unfeasible in the 90's. In fact, in the 90's the Super Middleweight division took off and the Cruiserweight division was in full swing.... I wonder why?

Foreman of the Morrison fight >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Louis ever.

Can you show my Foreman going life and death with a Super Middleweight? Can you show me Foreman getting decked by a Tony Galento? Can you show me Foreman struggling to put away anyone as bad as Abe Simon? Hell, can you show me a 90's Heavyweight challenger as bad as Abe Simon?