1962 Sonny Liston vs 1982 Gerry Cooney, 15 Rounds.

I totally agree with your post.

 

I agree completely, with the exception that Liston was 6' 1/2" tall.

 

It’s worth noting Foreman sparred with a (literally) shot Williams and still thought their powers were comparable.

 

Weeeellllll i've no idea where did you get that from. But once again it should be noted that The only mandatory defense a champ must make is to the #1 contender. All other bouts are discretionary.
Foreman was the champion and just like every champion he has to fight his mandatory challengers and he had no obligation to give Quarry, who was never the number one contender at the time, a discretionary bout, and he was not going to do so.
As for williams:

That's not a fact, that's just what you believe and as for me, i think Foreman mentioned the big cat as one the hardest puncher he has ever seen because he believe it's the truth.
Nothing shocking here, because like i said, he was not the only one who put respect on Cleveland's power. Which means IMO there is no evidence he was just trying to put the big cat over like he did to so many.

 

Cooney is not in Liston`s class gets KO`d by Sonny

 

So Machen goes the distance against Liston and feather-fisted Ali forces him to quit twice, but Cooney gets KO'd?

 

Yup, he didn't need to, but he turned down a huge opportunity to defend his title against a bum. Eventually he would be STOPPED by Ali - the guy who struggled with pipsqueak Karl Mildenberger while wearing 4 oz. gloves. And was retired by Jimmy Young - a guy who'd lean over the ropes to avoid fighting.

George is famous for saying ridiculous things and going out of his way to flatter people. All we have about Williams is hearsay.

Why would anyone believe Williams hit harder than Lyle or Morrison?

Who on Williams' record are you so impressed by as to say he was any where near Cooney's level?

 

Dunbass blown up light heavyweight Spinks spanked Cooney, even feather fisted George Chaplin was snapping his head back and cut Cooney on the bridge of his nose, and you think a guy who hit like Liston couldn't hurt him. Go play in your sandbox.

 

Will somone ban this guy already?

 

Machen lasting 12 rounds v Liston isn’t a testament to lack of power on Liston’s part.

Machen ran, fought to survive. See Foreman v Young for another example of an irrefutable puncher’s power being diffused by a pointedly evasive boxer for the most part.

The Machen fight is actually a testament to Liston being comprised of multiple parts. including boxing skills, patience and discipline NOT just an elite puncher, but which he most certainly was.

 

Not worthy of a response as any serious boxing fan knows the truth

 

Foreman does say some outrageous things, & tries extra hard to be nice.
However there is no reason to believe that he had a reason to do so about Williams.
I do not believe Williams hit harder than Lyle-& along with Cooney, Foreman had them all at the top.
Between them & Morrison (with his steroids), they were similar, who knows who might have hit slightly harder.

The fight with Mildenburger was not a close one.
Ali had dropped him in the 5th, 8th & 10th rounds, & almost midway through the 12th the referre stopped the bout to save him further punishment.
Also counter-intuitively the evidence seems to show that lighter gloves do not allow greater power. Yeah we get that Mildenburger was not bulky by modern standards, but "pipsqueak" seems excessive & to betray bias.

That Ali like most people had to adjust to a southpaw (with an excellent record), does not make the fight competitive.
You could say Tyson struggled with Tillis-who had lost 4 of his last 5 fights-because that fight was by all reasonable accounts close or very close.

 

Sonny at his best likely mauls Cooney.

Gerry doesn't even have a reach advantage over Liston (81v84) and Sonny is plain better, smarter, and more tested boxer with somehow comparable power. 1962/3 when he beat Patterson twice was no culmination of his career: it was a long overdue murder of Floyd that was delayed by Cus D'amato. By the time it happened Sonny had really little left to proof: the division trembled in fear of him and he was pretty much head diving into resentment and bitterness because the no matter what he did the world would not accept him as a champ. Alcohol, lack of serious motivation, and likely age caught up with him soon after.

Gerry might have a match with post 68' Liston, but from then onward, I'd argue, any win he could score over Sonny would be added to his collection of grandpas beaten.

 

Cooney was washed up. Just the fact that you are oblivious to that fact or purposefully ignoring it shows how untenable your position has become. Regardless, Cooney fought through a lot of punishment. He took his beating like a man. Against a feather-fisted comparative novice, Liston quit on his stool.... twice.

 

The fighters Liston fought were all smaller than Spinks.

Patterson had already been starched against Johannson. And Ingo was a very primitive fighter who didn't need a ridiculous size advantage over Patterson to pull off the win.

Cooney couldn't even getting sparring partners, let alone fights, he was so feared.

Gil Clancy, one of the greatest trainers of all time - look him up, was typically critical of fighters. He said, had Cooney come to him sooner, he could have been a champion even Holmes had no hope of beating. While that clearly never happened, it shows your assesment doesn't jive with a professional esteemed over generations in the sport.