Tommy Morrison vs. Joe Louis

Kind of hard to ignore that, huh?

 

Eh, Foreman was losing that fight until Moorer decided standing and trading with him would be a good idea.

This is a much better point. Old man Holmes even used all the old-timey framing/stiff arming/pushing/vision blocking tricks, and they were still quite effective.

 

It's not Schmeling who is primitive here...

 

Foreman tricked him into doing that and even said he would before the fight.

It's amazing how decades later people can't just give him credit. Funny how Ali tricked Foreman into punching himself out and Ali is given all kinds of praise for this performance.

 

Oh, I give Foreman credit for it. He deliberately pulled his punches the entire fight to lure Moorer into thinking his power was gone. But Moorer's corner was on to it and yelling at him to not do it, and he did it anyway.

 

That's true.
Watching the whole Foreman-Moorer fight, it's a very smart fight from Foreman throughout. Of course, there was no guarantee that it would pay off, but the entire fight it is clear from the outside that Foreman is trying to slow down the action, impose his own rhythm, lull Moorer to sleep or draw him in and trap him.
Moorer boxed a great fight too.
It was a very tactical fight from both men.

 

But that's Moorer's fault lol.

The original discussion was how Foreman and Holmes came back and did well against men half their age. It's very inconvenient for someone wanting to claim boxing constantly evolves and the current era is automatically better than 20 years ago. Doesn't matter that Moorer made a mistake due to being hard headed.

Mayweather made a career out of beating guys several years younger than him. Povetkin recently knocked out whyte who was a prime #1 contender. The claim is bogus. Unless they're willing to die on the hill that Whyte would beat Tyson.

 

Schemlling was old when he beat Louis. He was washed up when Louis exacted his revenge. While it's decent of you to point out Max wasn't primitive, it's a cheap shot brining up the rematch.

And even though Max wasn't primitive, the sport of Boxing had evolved tremendously by the time Morrison had arrived. These guys were pre-Willie Pep.
It's like comparing Terry Bradshaw's era to Favre's era to Mahomes' era. All great QB's, none of them primitive. But they sport has changed. Not wholly for the better, fine, but mostly so.

Guys like Baer, Galento, and Braddock (who wasn't even good when he fought Lougran) also knocked down Louis. But then he had the maturity and composure to adapt and over-come.

Those dudes don't floor Morrison, and they're lucky to survive 3 rounds.

 

You obliquely raise an interesting point..

Depending on when and where this fight happens, Tommy's adaptations to 90s rules may not help him. As you pointed out pages ago, MMA guys are looking with some interest at older school boxing. And then there are the judges.

Are we setting this dust up in the 30s or the 90s?

 

I think it looks like a Max Baer fight in that Morrison starts quickly and, in his aggression, awakens to killer in Louis just like Baer did who goes into seek and destroy mode.

I have always felt that Louis mentality in the ring was always the result of the danger he faced he went full killer mode on Schmeling and Baer among others so Morrison would be no different

 

how long has this thread gone on for wtf

 

Max was 31 in the first Louis fight. He came off a total destruction of Steve Hamas. The idea that he was way past his best then is ridiculous.

Max would destroy Morrison. Tom would stand no chance.

Yeah, good luck stopping Braddock or Baer within 3 rounds...

 

lucky to survive 1 round I say

 

I don't know who it is, but I can't resist tipping by hat to the single person who voted for Louis by decision.

 

Almost as unlikely of an outcome as Jimmy Young brutally knocking out Oliver McCall.