Tommy Morrison vs. Joe Louis

@70sFan865 excellent post covered off pretty much all that was required in reply.

I’ll just add, again, we have Morrison’s fantasy resume fattening up by the second, now including the scalps of Baer, Galento and Braddock, all seen off in < 3 rds no less (or no more, shall we say).

Where was Tommy hiding this latent ability during his actual career? I guess he was holding back for Fantasy Threads like this one. Cheeky fella.

Silly question but what was the forecast for Tommy v Bentt before reality bit in just over 1/2 Rd (about 1/6 of 3 rds)?

I understand saying Tommy doesn’t get KD’d by the above crew is meant to suggest more steel in his chin than Joe’s - that point is very arguable particularly given the exact nature of how Joe went down in those instances and the actual degree of hurt (or lack therefore) caused. For one, the Braddock KD was more about imbalance. Suffice to say (yet again), trivial as it apparently is, Joe got back up each time and very much got on with the job.

But let’s not allow the address of their chances of dropping Morrison inappropriately deflect from the more direct and relevant H2H chances of Louis dropping Morrison when he connects with 1-2 or 3 on the button, - the likelihood of Joe not just rendering a KD but also a KO on top being extremely high.

 

Yeah, these are fighters who were seen as abysmal in their own time. There's literrally a movie about Braddock called "Cinderella Man". And it's questionable as to whether Max Baer didn't throw that fight. Buddy Baer wasn't fit to carry his brother's jock strap. Louis' competition was literally called "The Bum of the Month Club" by contemporaries. I really don't believe these people (or maybe it's just one or two guys with several alts) believe what they are saying.

So I ask, are these guys trolling me? I feel like they are targeting me because I am Indian. Am I the butt of their joke? Funny how they'll mock me here, but when they need tech support I am the greatest person in the world at that moment in time. I wonder when they go to surgery if they treat their doctors like they are treating me now.

 

If you are having a laugh at my expense, I will remind you, I have been nothing but cordial this whole time and speak highly of Joe Louis. This behaviour of yours in unbecoming of a gentleman. I do not come here to cross swords. As the esteemed gentleman Mr. Magoo said elsewhere, this is a recreational forum. Why are you making light of me. If I weren't Indian, would you be treating me like this?

Micahel Spinks was a former Light Heavyweight champ. Roy Jones was about to become Light Heavyweight champion. In Morrison's era, Light Heavyweights (NOT cruiserweights) regularly entered the ring at about the same size as Braddock, Schmelling and Max Baer. Galento had abysmal conditioning. In the 90's, if he didn't want to be a Butterbean, he would have competed below the Heavyweight limit.

So it's not ridiculous to suggest Morrison would make very short work of Louis' competition, and you know that. But you like picking on me, so you will keep trying to agitate me. I hope you know it's not getting me upset at all.

 

Or maybe Morrison winning a decision against Foreman?

 

Baer was about the same size as Ali, so not really a light heavy. It seems unlikely that Morrison would make short work of all of Louis's competition as some like Walcott were quite skilled. Given the success fighters from earlier eras enjoyed in Morrison's era like Foreman and Holmes I don't really see the logic in dismissing the chances of Louis's contemporaries. Plenty of fighters from that era had modernish skillsets. Why should we dismiss the chances of smaller men against Morrison given the success of former light heavies like Moorer and Adamek, Toney in and after Morrison's era?

 

I believe you made this in good faith. But you have made several terrible assumptions.

How much did Baer weigh for the Louis fight?

How much did Adamek and Moorer enter the ring at when competiting at LHw? What was their height and reach?

Toney is more comparable to legends like Tunney, Loughran, Conn and Charles in skills than he is to bums like BRaddock. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if you substituted prime Braddock for either McCallum or Toney and either man beat him.

And you are ignoring the fact that none of them beat a man like Morrison.

Foreman and Holmes were much more skilled than fighters of Louis' era. And they were bigger and better athletes than Louis. They had SOME success in the 90's but don't get carried away.

 

The odds of a prime 24 year old winning a decision over a fat slow 44 year old are as low as Young knocking out McCall?

 

Everyone expected Morrison to rush in for the kill, and Foreman's power to make the hunter the hunted.
Foreman believe that most of all, hence making this fight in his very contrived come-back career.

What do I need to tell you next, the sky is blue? water is wet?

These are well known things.

Foreman had legendary fights with Holyfield and Moorer.

If Louis had opponents that good on his ledger you'd never stop ranting about it.

Foreman vs. Morrison >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Louis ever.

 

Foreman fought Moorer after he fought Morrison.

The odds were 7:5

If Louis' best win was a fat 44 year old you'd tear his resume apart even more than you already do.

You already admitted you're a troll so I'm not going to take your replies seriously. Like I said in a previous message, next time dont reveal your hand before playing your cards.

 

Some people actually say his best win was Walcott, not Conn. So....

Anyway, you think Louis was better than Foreman? Do you think Arugello and Marquez are better than Julian Jackson? I am not talking skill wise or based on accomplishments. Would you pick either of those men, to beat Jackson? If money were on the line...

No one would put a Braddock or a Baer in the ring with 90's Foreman. Unlike Stewart those guys wouldn't get back up.... ever.

 

Walcott was 33, and he certainly wasn't fat or slow either.

Yes prime Louis could probably beat 90's Foreman if he fights cautiously. Foreman struggled with guys like Stewart, Schulz, and Morrison.

Arguelo and Marquez vs Jackson wouldn't be sanctioned because they're several weight classes apart and they couldn't even come up with a feasible catch weight even if they wanted to. I know you're basically trying to use some low IQ bait to prove the idea of Louis fighting Foreman is absurd because of the weight difference, but Hoylfield was like 45 lbs lighter than Foreman and beat him so that's not a route you really want to go.

Braddock and Baer could definitely get up at least once, they had iron chins. I'd favor Foreman over both but I highly doubt he kos them with one punch/one knockdown.

 

So now you are comparing Louis to Holyfield and Morrison?

You definitely have a flair for the dramatic.

 

Yes I compared them because they're all around the same size looking at height, reach, and prime weights

Holyfield 6'2 78' reach 208-215 lbs
Morrison 6'2 76' reach 214-226 lbs
Louis 6'1 76' reach 203-214 lbs

Definitely looks like there's some overlap in size there.

If you're arguing Louis would lose to Foreman on the basis of size it would be a very dumb argument because 2 of the boxers Foreman lost to were roughly the same size as Louis. Moorer wasn't exactly a huge heavyweight either and Foreman went life and death with him before scoring a comeback KO.

And in case you forgot the thread is about Louis vs Morrison, remember?

You already admitted Morrison's footwork was not as good as Conn or Walcott. Which means Morrison is not beating Louis with lateral movement or outboxing him in a dozen attempts. Especially given the only example of Morrison ever pulling that off was against a fat slow 44 year old. In YOUR words, Morrison "ran" and would annoy the judges losing a wide UD.

That leaves boxing at mid range or attempting to slug it out.

The first option probably won't go well for him. Morrison did not jab enough, was fairly easy to hit, had mediocre stamina, and neglected his right hand. Louis was 5x the boxer Morrison ever was even at his peak. Louis could parry, counter, tear his mid section apart with body shots, bust him up with his jab, and throw 3, 4, 5+ combinations with power in both hands. Louis by KO within 6 or less.

A slug fest would be his best option but that is no guarantee either. Louis was way more accurate, was a 2 fisted threat, and would be lighting Morrison up upstairs and downstairs. In that scenario I see both scoring knockdowns on each other before Louis closes the show in the 3rd with a barrage of unanswered shots. The ref stops it after Morrison is slumped over gassed and dazed.

 

Yeah, because a fighter's style is determined by the tale of the tape.

You never cease to impress me.

 

Nice try with the false profiling and straw man claims of being victimised. That must be your go to when discussion that remains on the subject at hand isn’t going your way.