Joseph Parker – Under Achiever, Or Just Not That Good?

Wrong kiwi son.

 

I think we have seen enough of Parker now to assess what he is.

He has a fatal weakness that is a lack of aggression and fighting instinct, all of which is mental. He lacks an element of ring IQ.

He is just a very talented and athletically gifted boxer who is easily top 15 but is going to come up short against a lot of the elite guys because of his fatal flaws.

He stinks the ring out on a regular basis, so I personally do not understand the Chisora rematch. I likewise don’t understand why he is still getting decent paydays. He is supremely boring to watch and is never going to make it as a champion again.

I hope Chisora smokes him so we never have to see him in the ring again. There are prospects out there who should be getting these big paydays. Chisora gets these decent paydays because of his fanbase and because of his personality.

 

I agree 100%

 

I.e. they are beating over-hyped fighters which is what I said

That literally doesn't make sense. By definition if Chisora is the gate keeper to the top 10, by beating him you are in the top 10.
i.e. beating prospects, no matter how hyped they are is not a better achievement that beating a mainstay of the top 15 for the last 5 years or so.

For Americans, you only need to beat a U.S. top 20 gate keeper to be in the top 10 for life (see Bryan Jennings - never beaten a top 20 opponent), whereas you best the U.K. "Gate keeper to the top 10" and everyone wants you dropped from the rankings...

American exceptionalism lol

 

I don't know how Parker is so underrated when he beaten the likes of Ruiz, Chisora, Takam and Hughie all whom are more talented than anyone Wilder has beaten in his career.

 

Wilder would spark all of them including Parker ffs

How is Chisoria and Hughie Fury better than a Luis Ortiz? Get a grip.

 

How are they not? What has Ortiz done to be deemed so high? Who has ortiz beaten? Jennings. A guy who got a gift decision due to controversial points deduction against perez. Takam was robbed a win against Perez.

Chisora has this far superior career wins in comparison to Ortiz.

Hughie even beat Orti's second best win in Hammer more convincingly than Ortiz did too.

Wilders team wouldn't even allow to get in the ring with someone of Parker's ability let alone actually (which going on their peformances in the ring I don't understand how you can come to the conclusion Wilder would beat Parker?).

 

Hughie and Takam is not better than Ortiz. Hell Chisora probably isn't

 

I vote underachiever but he often makes that stance frustratingly difficult to support.

 

Jennings' best win was over the top 9 Ring ranked unbeaten Perez, Chisora's best win is over a four times beaten and twice-KO'd Takam (who was battering Chisora every round before the 8th round KO). Jennings has 4 losses (2 by KO) Chisora has 11 losses (3 by KO). Many of us are of the school of thought that losses, especially by wide margins or KO, seriously count against you.

Joyce and Sanchez both beat undefeated power punchers who are listed as being 6'5/6'6 and won the fights by large margins (either KO or wide on the cards) whereas Parker won a close, controversial SD which most on eyeonthering believed should have gone to Chisora. As a 37.5 year old with a pressure style and 10 defeats, Chisora had seen better days, making a controversial win over him even more lacklustre. It's unclear exactly how good Dubois and Ajagba are but it's entirely conceivable given what we know that they're better and more dangerous than that version of Chisora and in any case, a dominant victory over one of the former is a better result than (at best) scraping by the latter.

 

Parker's best performance was arguably his 7-5 type of win in New Zealand over a twice-defeated Carlos Takam: a fighter whose best win was a 9-3 in France against a mid-40's Tony Thompson.

Contrast how Wlad schooled and trashed prime Leapai (probably his 2nd worst title challenger, definitively above only Mormeck) with how Parker laboured to a 10th round stoppage win over 40+ washed up Leapai.

Parker's never had it.

 

What? You were just complaining that Hrgovic, Sanchez and Joyce were in the top 10, Which one is American?

And last I checked Bryant Jennings is still alive. Whose top 10 is he in? He spent two years in the Ring ratings six or seven years ago.

What an utterly bizarre, nationalistic comment.

 

Given you started with the bizarre nationalistic comments you should have enjoyed it. So is it trouble with comprehension or selective memory loss?

For context of why I'm talking about Bryant Jennings you can either read @NEETzschean above or @Kiwi Casual below:

 

Whilst I enjoyed the argumentation above.

Both Perez and Spilzka were ranked outside the top 20 by PBO which I trust as a far more objective ranking system than Ring Magazine. Hence everytime Jennings has stepped up a level into the top 20 and beyond he has lost. Thus he was the perfect gate keeper to the top 20.

Chisora for all his losses is a step up from Jennings.

Regarding eye on the ring, all that page reinforces is that Chisora fans have difficulty scoring fights accurately. Their score cards are all over the place. The most consistent scorecard matched the averages of the round by round:
Chisora got a 10-8 in rd1, and rd2,3,4+12; Parker got Rd5 through 11.
That's Parker 114-113 Chisora.

But I agree Parker needs to be beating opponents wider than that, but personally I thought Parker looked pretty comfortable once Chisora spent his load in the early rounds.

It will be interesting to see if Chisora alters his game plan this time around. Ultimately the last time was a losing effort.

 

Not bad . Done well with out any major assets. The benefit of a weak HW era . Wouldn't of made it in a stronger time