If Usyk beat Joshua again, Fury, Helenius, Parker and Canelo...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by catchwtboxing, Dec 16, 2021.


Where would Usyk rank amongst the champs

  1. Top 3

    46.2%
  2. Top 5

    19.2%
  3. Top 10

    23.1%
  4. Top 15

    7.7%
  5. Tops 20

    3.8%
  6. Top 25

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  7. Outside top 25

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  1. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ...and then retired undefeated, where would you rank him as a heavyweight champion?

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    Top 5
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    Outside of top 25

    The opponents are chosen because:

    Joshua is his next fight
    Fury is the big fight everyone wants to see
    Helenius is the likely WBA mandatory
    Parker is the likely WBO mandatory
    Canelo has an odd internet thing building, and Usyk is talking about it
     
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  2. Moonlight

    Moonlight Walking in the moonlight... lonely.. as always.. Full Member

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    Joshua rematch and Fury victories makes him top 10 HW ever because his fight quality/amount ratio would be god level.

    Why is Canelo even here? The only possibly division is CW for that fight and Canelo hasn't any experience at CW yet. This fight would give very little credit to Usyk.
     
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  3. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I hope Wilder don't retire and after some time he can fight Usyk


    Usyk needs more fights in HW to be called great in my book. AJ fight was very good, but not enough.
     
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  4. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Usyk beats Joshua, Fury, Whyte and Joyce he'll be a top 10 ATG.
    Nobody has been undisputed in two divisions in the 4 belt era.
     
  5. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    Canelo? Get that **** outta here.
     
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  6. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    Why is helenius in that list? LOL.
     
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  7. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Top 10 if he beats Aj and fury
    In the conversation for top 5

    If he wants top 3? He needs to be the man for a while
     
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    Was gonna ask the same question but he might be mandatory, i have no idea. Helenius fights like a trucker in slow motion. Usyk could dance around him for 12 rounds without punching once and still helenius couldnt have Usyk.
     
  10. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, PBC was talking about it after he beat Polish guy again
     
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  11. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think the Op's question is a little flawed to say the least but I'll play...

    Usyk only need to beat Joshua and Fury to be the best in his era.

    If we're talking ATG then would need some longevity but could bypass this to some extent by maybe beating a couple of more top contenders.

    I'm not sure that the above is probable as Usyk isn't a spring chicken and I anticipate some delay with the Fury fight if that fight happens at all.

    I also get the impression from Usyk that the goal is to unify anyway so may not have any desire to defend but this may change over time.

    Parker and Helenius are not really relevant to ATG status although would add a couple of decent quality names.

    Canelo is a none starter the Op clearly trolling.

    This fight would only happen if Usyk turned 40 with a catchweight of 180 + rehydration clause.

    The fact the ginger nuthuggers are speculating is to deflect Canelo's cherry picking the weakest link.

    Canelo couldn't even legitimately beat an elite Middle FFS.

    The odds of that fight happening is the same as me growing a set of genitals on my forehead....
     
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  12. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Let's say he will beat AJ, Fury, Whyte, Wilder, Parker and Hrgovic with dominance and without getting hurt.

    That's some crazy ****
     
  13. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Beating AJ and Fury alone he would clearly be the best heavy from the post Wlad era. The other names wouldn't add much to his resume, but it's always nice to have some depth wins. Nobody has ever been the clear cut best cruiser and heavy in the same era, so he would rank very high all time. Retiring undefeated would also be huge for his legacy.
     
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  14. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Joshua, Fury and retire. He is already past it, no sense to stay for more years.
     
  15. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If he beats Joshua and Fury then he'll be in the top 2 or 3 champs in todays boxing. Joshua's reputation is sinking faster than Biden's poll numbers and Fury's best win is over a 40 year old, so please, please don't talk about him being a top 10 all time great in the division.
     
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