Heavyweights of today and Klitschko era.

Horrible post.
Povetkin was falling apart in the rematch because he was in the hospital for weeks before the fight.
He also defeated Hunter and H.Fury when he was around 40.
Chisora vs Vitaly wasn't competitive even though Klitschko was 41 and fought with 1 arm from round 3.

 

Vitaly at 28/29 circa Hide fight would deal with Chisora by ko.

 

"The Wlad era remnants were until a short while ago, challenging and beating some of the so called talent around."

How true is this?

1. Wlad went life and death with 27.5 year old 18-0 AJ at 41, 17 months inactive, in Britain (title fight)

2. Povetkin gave 29 year old AJ a tough fight at 39 in Britain (title fight) beat 25 year old Hughie in Britain at 39.5, controversially drew with Hunter at 40 and KO'd prime Whyte in Britain against the run of play at 41

3. Pulev beat 24 year old Hughie in Bulgaria when he was 37.5

4. Mid-late 30's Chisora lost controversial decisions against Whyte and Parker and gave Usyk a tough fight

5. Takam gave Parker a tough fight

6. Late 30's Arreola gave Kownacki a tough fight

7. Mid-late 30's Helenius KO'd Kownacki twice

8. Late 30's Liakhovich, late 30's Kevin Johnson and 40 year old, 18 months inactive Arreola gave Ruiz tough fights

9. 40 year old Wach gave 271 lbs Whyte a tough fight

10. Jennings gave Rivas and 9-0 Joyce tough fights

The Klitschko era was underrated but holdovers from past eras have previously had success in their mid 30's and far later: it was seen as a stain on the 90's that early-mid 40's Holmes and Foreman were beating or having tough fights with contenders and champions. It was the same in the Klitschko era when mid-late 40's Holyfield was robbed against Valuev (after getting many gift decisions previously). However, Holmes and Foreman had vastly more experience (Holmles had 409 rounds to Mercer's 79) and carefully selected their opponents. There are also more older champions in the modern era due to advances in sports science and safety, so fighters can be in or close to their prime after 35.

Pianeta had been KO'd in 7 by a badly faded Kevin Johnson a year prior to the Fury fight and was KO'd in 1(!) by Chagaev 2 years before that. It was clearly a sparring session to fool Wilder (who had a front row seat) and go rounds to shake off the ring rust (Davidson wanted him to get rounds in against Seferi and later Schwarz but he didn't listen). Chisora hasn't challenged for a world title since he fought Vitali so I don't know where you got that from, he's been one or two fights away at times but always lost one way or another.

Povetkin didn't smash Hunter up and probably shouldn't have got a draw but he did expose him. He KO'd Whyte but Whyte's chin is poor and as Whyte said many times, it's heavyweight boxing

Hughie was very young by modern heavyweight standards when he lost to Pulev and Povetkin and he gave a decent account, but he's not regarded as one of the top guys and seems to be improving in his mid-late 20's

Chisora exposed Whyte twice

Wach only mildly exposed Whyte because Whyte was in sh*t condition

Chisora exposed Parker twice

Parker was young when he fought Takam, who also wasn't too old, no exposure

People thought Chisora exposed Usyk but Usyk won 8-9 rounds against a very well-prepared Chisora (2/3 previous fights were southpaw movers, 18 months of preparation) and it was a difficult stylistic matchup (similar to Nistor in the WSB)

Liakhovich, Kevin Johnson and Arreola exposed Ruiz

Wlad exposed AJ, as did Povetkin to a mild degree

Arreola exposed Kownacki, though Kownacki had already been exposed by Charles Martin

Helenius exposed Kownacki twice, though Helenius had severe problems with injuries and motivation in prior bouts so he was underrated

I thought Joyce beat Jennings by a decent margin, Joyce was also an inexperienced pro and Jennings wasn't too old, no exposure

Jennings was even younger when he fought Rivas, Rivas KO'd Jennings in the 12th round of a close fight that he was probably losing but it was a big step up for Rivas, no exposure

The only allegedly top fighters who have been definitively exposed (to varying degrees) in or around their primes by Klitschko era relics are Hunter, Whyte, Parker, Ruiz, AJ and Kownacki. However, we don't take notice as much when a Klitschko era relic gets rolled (Liakhovich and Arreola against Wilder, Takam against AJ and Joyce, Pulev against AJ, Helenius against Washington, Whyte and Duhaupas, Wach and Kevin Johnson against more or less anyone).

 

Well to be fair old end-of-career fighters are SUPPOSED to lose to young prime fighters.

 

They are and more often than not they do regardless of era, in most cases listed here they made it difficult but didn't win. There tend to be more upsets in HW boxing (especially today with bigger heavyweights) because they punch so hard and you don't even have to be disciplined enough to make weight. These factors along with underestimation of older, more experienced fighters breed upsets.

 

I don't think Kownacki was ever a top 10 heavyweight so him losing to Helenius doesn't really reflect badly on the era.

 

He was in hospital for weeks was he? Were they just letting him out on good behaviour to go to the gala dinner and parties he was photo'd at?

Must have been that mutated strain of BOXER covid. Same one Fury had

 

The 2010 Klitschko crop does seem to be doing unusually well against the 2020 Fury/Wilder/Joshua era heavy mix. Chisora and Povetkin are the best barometers here. There are a few more top level high skill guys compared to Vlad's era, but Vlad had a better supporting cast which has been terribly underrated until recently.

 

The Wlad era had a lot of talent but little meaningful competition. Everyone just fought bums until they were in line for a shot at one of the brothers. Today's era contains a lot of decent to mediocre talents who fight each other in competitive matchups, giving the illusion of greater depth. Wlad's era didn't contain a huge number of tall, athletic guys though. Today's era is brimming with them, Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Joyce, Yoka, Hrgovic, Makhmudov. But there were a ton more smaller talented quick guys like Haye, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Chambers, Byrd. It wasn't necessarily better or worse, it was a different dynamic.

 

also...
Brock
Byrd
Thompson
Chagaev
Brewster
Maskaev
Ibragimov
Chambers
even Valuev

todays top ten would lose a majority.

 

Given that until recently many of the top contenders were remnants of the previous era, I have to go with Wlad’s era. I mean, until very recently Povetkin was a top 5 heavyweight. Pulev a top 10. Whyte, who’s seen as a top 5 guy, was sparked out by Povetkin, and went life and death with Chisora. Chisora, who was soundly beaten by Pulev.

This generation is simply benefitting because of the generally lower standard at the top. It makes for better entertainment.

I reckon a prime Povetkin is a dominant belt holder in this era.

 

Fury would translate well to any era but when you consider that the likes of Joshua, Price, Andy Ruiz, Whyte et cetera got sparked or nearly sparked by 40-year-old fighters (who's primes where in the previous era) then yes it does make you sit up and think that that era wasn't as bad as people were making out.. I remember when Joshua and Wilder were recently at the top of the division and people were raving saying heavyweight is great again & back yet both went on to get knocked out by fat puddings LOL.. which was one of the criticisms of the previous era that some of the fighters weren't in shape, but let's be honest those guys looked like Mr universe at the side of the likes of Andy Ruiz and Tyson Fury LOL.. & it's been hilarious watching Joshua get knocked out by the Michelin man after he criticised Eddie Chambers

 

Disagree.

Vitali
Wlad
Povetkin
Byrd
Haye

Haye gets his **** but at his peak look what he did to prime Chisora & he also went 12 with prime Wlad too. I struggle to see Joshua or Wilder doing that.

 

It also depends on who you put in which era. You’ve put the likes of Yoka in this era. Surely that would put the likes of Wilder in Wlad’s era, and perhaps even Fury, if we’re crossing over to top prospects.