Heavyweight power (scale 1 to 10)

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  1. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    I am talking raw two handed power.

    I think knocking out or stopping a quality durable opponent is significant evidence of raw power.

    Obviously you can have great raw power while failing to ko durable opponents. Shavers is a great example of this. Shavers lacked effectiveness but all the guys who fought him rank him as the hardest hitting heavyweight they ever faced. That counts for something.

    I should have been more clear. But the guys who i rated 10 demonstrated great raw power, either by brutally ko'ing durable opponents and thus demonstrating that raw power. Or by the attestations of their opponents (in case of Shavers for example)
     
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  2. Glass City Cobra

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    Tucker had only 1 loss in his career prior to facing Lewis, which was to Tyson, a fight where he took hardly any damage. He had a 14 fight win streak and was ranked #1 by the WBC.

    He did not look like a faded fighter. Lewis caught him with some shots and dropped him with genuine power. Lewis certainly didn't think Tucker was faded and I believe he praised tuckers footwork in an interview.

    I think Lewis is much better at putting punches together than people give him credit for. He wasn't an aggressive slugger or a seek and destroy power puncher, but he knew how to tag a guy and to land excellent shots with good timing.
     
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  3. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Right, & I have been saying this about Shavers forever.
    But I am also saying some guys have their raw power overrated due to how effective they are.
    I do not think Tyson is very close to the hardest hitters. He may be at most a 9, & the same goes for Louis, or for him maybe a bit less.
    They were so quick handed, accurate & skilled at combinations that their results exaggerated how much brute force was in individual blows.

    Marciano hit very hard for his size.
    But his usual high volume, sustained beat downs against relatively small fighters do not reveal a 9.5 power. Maybe 8.5. Satterfield, Shepard & Liston from around his era are examples of some who are cited as hitting harder-& in all likelood did.
     
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  4. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    It is well know that when he wanted to end a possible threat early, & against the bigger, heavier hitters, Lewis was an aggressive slugger & the epitome of a search & destroy power puncher.
    You must know the fights I am speaking of.
     
  5. Glass City Cobra

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    Yes, like when he came straight at Golota or closed in on Briggs. But that was the exception and not the norm for Lewis. He was usually safety first after working with Steward.
     
  6. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Good points. I know this is somewhat subjective and i struggled when making the list.

    Marciano- yes i can see taking him down to 9. However, i rank him ahead of guys like Witherspoon and Frazier so i would need to demote them.

    Tyson- you could be right. However, he brutally ko'd Botha with one punch, brutally bloodied Golota with one right hand (effectively ending the fight), stopped Tubbs with just one body shot. I agree his speed was a major factor but he did demonstrate one hitter power especially when he could get in range to use it.
     
  7. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    But it was not rare for him. Grant & Ruddock are other prominent examples.
     
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    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    No question even anything around a 9 can show great 1 punch power.
    However even this can overstate power-if speed &/or skill means you do not see the punch coming, then it will have greater effect than if you are hit as hard (or harder) by the likes of Foreman.

    Yes Frazier should be lowered a bit. Marciano hit harder than him if only you are going by both hands & different types of punches.
    I doubt either hit harder than Terrible Tim's overhand right.
    But if you land many more punches of anywhere near the same force, it will have more effect!
     
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  9. Glass City Cobra

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    If you had a gun to your head and could only give one answer, looking at Lewis entire career, would you classify him as a slugger/seek and destroy fighter?
     
  10. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    No, both would not need a gun to my head-implying I need this to be completely honest, at least with myself...
    Nor never claimed that he usually was.
     
  11. Omega74

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    Wepner said Liston was the hardest hitter he ever faced, even tho he faced big George earlier in his career. Yes it was a green Foreman, but still the fact that he places Liston above a green Foreman, shows imo how comparable their punching powers are. Maybe Liston wasn't hitting as hard as prime Foreman, but he definitely was in his league imo.
     
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  12. JohnThomas1

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    Wouldn't be much between them especially when Liston really lets one go.
     
  13. Moggy94

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    Exactly, Oliver McCall said Bert Cooper hit harder than Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson
     
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  14. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Problem is punching power is directly corelated with speed. One of the reasons some guys hit hard is also cause they have great hand speed. Basically, punching power equals
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    , as long as you have good punching technique.
    In terms of raw power, as you speak, you are only talking about guys who had heavy hands, like Foreman and Liston.
     
  15. White Bomber

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    Holmes hit harder than Ali, though not by much, and neither was a huge hitter. So having Ali over him in not right.