Tyson and Dempsey switch opponents

OK smart ass. I'll listen to you since you're a renowned boxing historian.

 

I know far about boxing than you will ever know. If you can't grasp that boxing has evolved since the early 1900's then you should stop pretending to like boxing. If you can't understand that no boxer from that era had the skill to compete with modern boxers then you need to stop watching boxing. If you can't grasp there are weight classes for a reason then please stop watching boxing.

Combine each of these things and you would realize if you were a true boxing fan that Dempsey has zero chance at beating any of those guys Tyson fought. The better question would be would Dempsey make it out of the first round. I would say no. Unless one of these guys toyed with him for sport each one would destroy Dempsey in the first round.

A better question would be could Dempsey beat Jake Paul. The answer would be probably not.

 

Mike Tyson becomes an icon of unconquerable malevolence. Possesing supernatural speed, technique, and power beyond comprehension. Will easily be considered the most destructive force to EVER enter the ring by far. Mowing over, blitzing, and KOing all of his rudimentary opponents in the first round.


Jack Dempsey becomes journeyman, gets demoted to cruiserweight, and then becomes a fringe contender there

 

This

 

You should NOT be mocking & putting down people & saying they know nothing about boxing & patronizing them that they cannot handle the sport.

Make your arguments without being vicious & causing much conflict.
In a short time you have alienated many-I think there is some significant truth to your perspective, although it is also too extreme & biased.

How are you squestion why a good kind poster joined this forum?
Your gratuitous small cruelties neg the question: Are you an infamous, much-banned alt who is "new" only because his vitriol keeps gatting him removed?
Repent, hopefully have the cojones to apologize, act with respect & you will do better than be ignored & not get respected at all because of an adolescent, territory-marking like hateful approach.

 

Thanks. I like to alienate people who don't know what they are talking. Me biased? Lol because I am smart enough to realize boxing has evolved since the early 1900's? I am biased because I am smart enough to realize boxing created weighed classes for a reason?

So my point stands. No boxer from the early 1900's could even a half way decent modern fighter when it just comes to skills. If you add the size advantage to it then it is even worse.

Dempsey gets knocked out by every one of the fighters named in 1 round. Tyson on the other hand knocks out every fighter listed who fought Dempsey in the first round in the same day.

 

Don't agree

Berbick had a semi-competitive fight with an ancient Ali. Dempsey is way faster than Berbick, hits harder and would simply overwhelm him. Sure Tyson is bigger, harder hitting and just as fast as Dempsey. Sure, Dempsey may not destroy Berbick quite as easily but he will tko Berbick.

Tubbs was fat and would not be able to move away from Dempsey. Once Dempsey hits him with a few hard body shots, it will be over.

Spinks? Come on. Spinks isn't a slick boxer, he will stand infront of Dempsey and get overpowered. Spinks lasts a total of 5 rounds.

Williams was a sucker for the left hook. Dempsey had one of the best left hooks ever. Dempsey would stop Williams with ease.

Douglas? Yes, an inspired Douglas could cause a lot of problems, maybe even win. Then again an inspired Douglas could cause trouble to a lot of past and future fighters.

38 year old Holmes? Come on. How? Holmes could not dance anymore so how is he beating a strong pressure fighter?

Biggs? Come on now. Biggs would get mauled. Too hittable and he does not have the power to threaten him.

I think you are vastly underrating Dempsey. I do not Dempsey in my all time top 10. His accomplishment as a champion are sorely lacking.

However, Dempsey was unusually powerful and had the power of a much bigger man. He was also one of the quickest heavyweights of all time. Just because he was an inactive champion doesn't change that he was an immensely talented fighter. None of the guys you mentioned except Douglas and Ruddock could beat him, and even then, i wouldn't favour them.

 

This list looks like a few easy night’s work for Mike Tyson and Dempsey is probably going to have a very hard time.
It’s an era and a size issue not because Dempsey is not great. He was not a crude slugger. Watch him in the 2nd Tunney fight. He bobs and weaves and closes the distance pretty nicely. He was far from prime there and was chasing Gene Tunney after all.
However the fighters listed were all rather larger and would have been essentially a weight division above. Plus they would have had a better training regimen and the advantage of history.
Much like in maths where we stand on the shoulders of giants, boxing is the same, what was learned in the school of hard won experience by Dempseys era gets distilled into the training and knowledge pool of those who follow on.
Dempsey is a greater fighter legacy wise than most of these guys, except Tyson and Holmes, but h2h is not a good situation for him.

 

All of this is cute until you realize Dempsey was 190 pounds. All of this is cute until you realize boxing has evolved since Dempsey's time. All of this is cute until you realize every guy named is 100 times more skilled than Jack Dempsey.

What is even more funny is how biased guys like you can't grasp just because a boxer won a title back in the early 1900's doesn't mean they would win a title now.

 

Well I agree with most of what you typed. What I don't agree with was Dempsey wasn't a crude slugger. Even for this era he was a crude slugger. Dempsey would be so poor in the ring skills wise today that even amateur boxers would be more skilled. Even guys like Jake Paul who is just a YouTuber trying to box is more technically sound compared to Dempsey.

 

Your tone is rude and unnecessary. Please read my post in Usyk-Johnson thread where i went into detail acknowledging how much boxing has evolved.

And no, the guys named are not 100 times more skilled than Dempsey.

I am not interested in arguing with someone who is childishly attacking other people. Do not quote my posts again.

 

Lol right. If you think Dempsey a guy who turned pro in 1914 is more skilled than modern fighters then I think I will block you now. If you think anybody that Dempsey fought was more skilled than any modern fighter than I know I will block you. If you think a 190 pound boxer from theearly 1900's can beat any modern heavyweight then you should be banned. Blocked.

 

This guy is so insecure that he blocks everyone who has a different opinion. Don't waste your time on him, soon he'll block everyone on this forum and he'll discuss with himself only.