Prime Roy Jones Jr. vs. Artur Beterbiev.

I see we even have Beterbiev vs Lennox threads popping up now

Obviously Lewis is way too big for Beterbiev and would KO him albeit to be fair he couldn't put a dent in the tiny 214lb Mavrovic who due to his illness lost a ton of weight and it's clear now, given how much weight he'd dropped in recent fights going into the Lewis fight, was already deep in the throes of his illness and heavily compromised at the time.

But a 214lb Ill Mavrovic is still a lot bigger than Beterbiev - 25lbs ain't no joke when you're facing a gigantic savage puncher as good as Lewis. Hell, Mavrovic was giving away 29lbs to him and I'd pick Lewis to KO a 185-187lbs version of him and Evan Fields too. Why do you think Roy cherry picked plodder octopus Ruiz and wanted zero smoke with the real king Lewis?

And it's a lot different to saying that a 200-210lb bulked up prime Beterbiev could possibly beat plodder octopus John Ruiz, especially if he's afforded the luxury of being able to jack himself silly with roids like the other lighter fighters who moved up to face Ruiz ie. Roid, Two Times Toney, and Evan Fields and given an obligatory free pass for doing so were.

And it's also a lot different to saying that a prime Beterbiev could possibly beat savage puncher avoiding glass jaw Roy if he grazed that glass jaw of his given how he would be by far one of the hardest punchers Roy ever fought, top 3 or 4 bare minimum, almost all of whom sparked him out in biblical fashion, and unquestionably harder than the "hardest puncher I ever fought'' Merqui Sosa who despite being a SMW Roy was very open, honest and big enough and man to basically admit would've sparked him out cold had one of the shots he missed with actually landed.

Puncher avoidance is a thing and Beterbiev might be the best puncher Roy ever fought or rather would've ducked like he had the plague, as in the best fighter who was a savage puncher. The only others in contention are Lebedev and Ruiz and I'd pick him to beat both in a heartbeat if was even remotely close to the same size as them and I think even many of his detractors would too. I think he'd beat Lebedev as it is weighing what he weighs at LHW and I love The White Swan too.

Savage Puncher Central

Glen Kelly
Prince Badi Ajamu
Richard Frazier
David Telesco
Anthony Hanshaw
Percy Harris
Zine Eddine Benmakhlouf
Max Alexander
Pawel Glazewski
Eric Watkins
Paul Vasquez
Hany Atiyo
Derrick Harmon
Vinny Paz
Antoine Byrd
Eric Lucas
Otis Grant
Eric Harding
Reginald Johnson
Scott Sigmon
Rodney Moore
Vyron Philips
Bryant Brannon
Mighty Midget Montell
Clint Woods
The great Mike McCallum's grandfather's shot ghost
Lou Del Valle
Plodder Glen Johnson
Antonio Tarver who couldn't even drop glass jaw Dawson in 24 rounds

There's way too many to list and this post is already long enough as it is

Again, I'm not saying even a super enhanced "Ripped Fuel'' version of Artur beats Roid or plodder octopus Ruiz, but rather given Roy's penchant for avoiding savage punchers which his prime CV will back me up in a court of law and attest to, and him invariably getting laid out on his back or face almost everytime he did face a savage puncher, which again his CV will back me up in the law courts om, or plodder octopus Ruiz whose form against the Soviet school is poor to say the least and who isn't half as effective if not allowed to employ his usual huggy bear tactics which he wasn't against Roid. I just don't see them as being foregone conclusions given how Beterbiev's savage power, immense physical strength, relentless pressure, insane engine and underrated ring IQ even weighing 185-187lbs ain't no joke (go ask the much heavier Usyk who he hurt (the only man I've ever seen do so) and gave hell twice in extremely competitive fights and all the much heavier HWs he stopped in the ams with big gloves and head gear on back when he was still in his absolute physical prime) let alone a 20lb heavier bulked up roid monster version of him if he is afforded that exact same privilege that is?

I just don't completely write off his chance of doing so like many others do whose picks always or almost always are slanted heavily in a certain direction and who refuse to hold the fighters they always/almost always pick to win to the same set of standards they do the ones they always/almost always pick to lose and consider vastly inferior and won't even give them the slightest chance which makes it very hard for me to take them even remotely seriously.

 

''It would theoretically be interesting for me to meet with Usyk in the professional ring, although I don’t know how likely this would be. When I boxed with him, I weighed 185 to 187-pounds and right now I do not plan to gain weight" -- Artur Beterbiev 2018

Artur Beterbiev has a lot of options on the table. The unified Light Heavyweight champion is fresh off a win against Oleksandr Gvozdyk and is the clear cut choice when choosing the best fighter in the division. Fights against WBA belt holder Dmitry Bivol and Gilberto Ramirez make a ton of sense. Even a contest with Canelo Alvarez, albeit unlikely, could be in his immediate future.

Although Beterbiev wants all of those aforementioned names, a matchup with former undisputed Cruiserweight champion Oleksandr Usyk, is the one he wanted the most.

“I had a purely sporting interest in being able to box with Usyk when he became the absolute champion [at cruiserweight],” Beterbiev said to Tass.

“I was in the process of negotiating a contract with both Top Rank and Matchroom Boxing. The proposals from each were almost the same. I told my managers that if Eddie Hearn (head of Matchroom Boxing) guarantees me a fight in the cruiserweight division with Usyk, then I will sign a contract with them.''

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Oleksandr Usyk said that Artur Beterbiev was his toughest amateur opponent. Here's a glimpse of why

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I can and I did say it and I will continue to keep saying it

I simply don't but into all the desperation spin, damage limitation and excuses from his utterly obsessed and fanatical non-hetero (not that there's anything wrong with that) fanboys who are very heavy on excuses and super light on applying the same set of standards to other fighters and affording them the same luxuries and privileges they do to him. If you refuse to hold him to the same standards as you do them and won't allow them the same privileges and excuses don't expect others to do so with you.

That's called trying to have it both ways

We can't have it both way but you guys can?

Does having it both ways extend to Roy being diminished by the ageing process (and losing 10-12lbs or whatever it was over a six month period IIRC ) but him not being enhanced by his steroid abuse?

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I suspect your place looks a lot like this but instead of it being a shrine to Alan Partridge it's a shrine to Roy

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You have no idea how little sleep I've had this last week. It's been ridiculous

 

I don't want to come across as one of those hipster I've been a fan of *insert fighter's name* way before the rest of you types but I'm a big fan of amateur boxing too and I've been a fan of all these guys since the amateurs and have been singing their praises for a very long time, so long I can speak on when they were in their absolute physical primes and started to slip

 

Yes. I don't see any fighter as being unbeatable and anyone can lose on a given night to the right fighter or under the right set of circumstances. People act like fighters never lose but 99.9999% of them have and will

 

“I’m not a guy that normally leans towards a puncher,” said Ward. “I’m a guy that wants a fighter to have multiple things he can fall back on in case that punch doesn’t bail him out. But Beterbiev is a little bit different. I’ve called his fights, watched him, and studied him. He’s different.

“He throws his body into every punch. He’s physically a hard man and he’s strong. He hits extremely hard, and he doesn’t even have to hit you clean. He can graze you, and you can have problems. But he’s also an underrated boxer.

“He has over 300 amateur fights and he comes up from the Soviet system. He’s a lot better skilfully than people give him credit for him and he’s going to be a hard guy to beat.”

-- Andre Ward

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''He's strong as poop! He's one of the strongest guys I've seen.. like back then.. and obviously right now too.''

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I saw a lot of people picking Browne to win

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