If Arreola was past his prime at 33 then what was he at 40 and 18 months inactive? If that version is dropping Ruiz, going 12, giving him a competitive fight, hurting him multiple times, then Ruiz would probably lose to prime Arreola, who according to you wasn't even that good. So AJ lost to a fighter who is worse than Arreola was and lost in devastating fashion.
If Arreola was past his prime and an absolute shell of his former self, what does that make Ortiz who's even older?
Ortiz is/was a much better fighter than Arreola. Chris was dropped and got a gift against against Travis Kauffman at 34.5, who Ortiz fought 9 months post-Wilder 1 at 40+, battered for 9 rounds and stopped. Ortiz turned pro very late at an official 31, made his big step up at 36.5 and was heavily avoided. AJ could have fought him in 2016 but they swerved the fight as Ortiz probably would have KO'd him. 28-0 Ortiz was past his best at 39 when Wilder fought him but he was still very dangerous.
He hasn't fought anyone other than Jennings who was a leftover from the previous generation... Like Wilder his resume is as weak as they come. Neet has been slapped down so many times in this thread I suspect he might be autistic. He's literally banging his head against a wall and expecting a different result. His reasoning skills and BIAS undermine everything he states.
It's clearly trolling as they have been beaten down by multiple people including ourselves. No amount of mental gymnastics can change the reality that there resumes are garbage by any measuring stick.
And if you like, then you can remove yourself from those discussions. The rest of us are going to continue to look at the start of the modern heavyweight championship as John L. Sullivan, who, by the way, usually weighed about 210, if I remember correctly.
I think you're missing my point. You're happy to degrade fighters value based on their age, but that magically disappears when you sing Ortiz praise. I'd appreciate a bit more consistency, especially as you're trying to come across as non-bias. Hell, I'd pick the aged Wlad and Pov to batter Ortiz any day of the week, and twice on a Sunday.
Fun fact: Tommy Burns and Philadelphia Jack O' Brian fought for the "world heavyweight title" in 1906, weighing 172 and 163.5 lbs respectively. Modern big weight-cutting welterweights enter the ring at a similar weight to "heavyweight" Tommy. Those who say things like "Wilder has the worst record of any HW champ in the last 100 years" are either idiots or they are trolling because they couldn't name more than a small fraction of HW champs from the last 100 years. And if we look back at the last 15 or so years, we see a multitude of champions with worse records than Wilder, who has one of the strongest.
Battering Kauffman and stopping him rather than going life and death, getting dropped and getting a controversial decision is a good start. Taking Wilder to war and outboxing him before the KO's was also a lot more impressive than losing every round and getting stopped by Wilder with a broken right hand. Ortiz's best opponents beaten are 6th ranked Jennings, Hammer and Scott, Arreola's are a washed up McCline, Seth Mitchell and Molina. Ortiz has two losses (both to Wilder in highly competitive fights) Arreola has seven (Vitali, Adamek, Stiverne x2, Wilder, Kownacki, Ruiz) and could easily have a couple more (Kassi, Kauffman).
...so what you're saying is that they both beat the same "best" opponent, and lost to their best opponent in Wilder. That looks like they're on about the same level to me except that Chris fought stronger competition and lost a few more fights.
Yes, but they were the two best combinations if heavy and good on the planet which is why they fight for the heavyweight title. And if you didn't know, Roy Jones and Chris Byrd came up from that weight relatively recently to win world titles. The best heavy in the world right now started out at 200. It is what it is. You can believe as you like, but don't expect that you are going to sway anyone.
To make matters worse the fight was even at the point of stoppage. This resume sucks and Wilder was in his prime for all of the fights.
